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JSR 1st revision of 2015 rules... 08-31-2014, 03:10 PM
apalrd There's a *LOT* of issues... 08-31-2014, 03:28 PM
JulianH Andrew, I just looked at the... 08-31-2014, 03:42 PM
apalrd There are a few differences:... 08-31-2014, 03:51 PM
JulianH I thought there was a... 08-31-2014, 04:01 PM
apalrd It's fair to restrict torque... 08-31-2014, 04:06 PM
tromoly Not sure if anyone noticed,... 08-31-2014, 05:33 PM
mech5496 I think Austria was official... 08-31-2014, 06:22 PM
Z Back when I had a job, anyone... 08-31-2014, 09:41 PM
Westly Generally the diagrams dont... 08-31-2014, 10:43 PM
Pete Marsh Westly, the "general" rules... 08-31-2014, 11:16 PM
Westly My reading of T9.4.2 was it... 08-31-2014, 11:40 PM
kkung The tires we used in 2013... 09-01-2014, 07:59 PM
MCoach I agree with Andrew that... 09-01-2014, 12:23 AM
mech5496 This is not necesarilly... 09-01-2014, 02:23 AM
Mbirt I spent some time watching... 09-01-2014, 10:47 AM
MCoach May I suggest a really... 09-01-2014, 11:32 AM
stever95 A couple things seem to have... 09-01-2014, 12:23 PM
apalrd I read over some other... 09-01-2014, 01:59 PM
Loz Clarity and ambiguity are out... 09-01-2014, 07:07 PM
mdavis I'm glad I'm not the only one... 09-01-2014, 01:35 PM
apalrd We had an identical... 09-01-2014, 01:49 PM
mdavis That's what made it so much... 09-01-2014, 06:09 PM
John_Burford Mcoach The SCCA noise... 09-01-2014, 06:47 PM
MCoach John, Could you elaborate... 09-01-2014, 08:44 PM
John_Burford Sound is cumulative. ... 09-01-2014, 09:10 PM
MCoach I think if more leeway was... 09-01-2014, 09:26 PM
apalrd I found, for your viewing... 09-01-2014, 09:31 PM
JulianH Ok, it seems that the ETC... 09-02-2014, 03:48 AM
Westly Hi Julian, Based on my... 09-02-2014, 05:32 AM
alexlewis Reading through the new... 09-02-2014, 06:00 AM
jd74914 I think Kettering just has... 09-02-2014, 07:09 AM
Dylan Edmiston I'm silently busy with other... 09-02-2014, 08:19 AM
Yannick I will also comment on the... 09-02-2014, 09:24 AM
apalrd How can I contact the rules... 09-02-2014, 10:08 AM
NickFavazzo John, Is there a reason or... 09-02-2014, 03:50 AM
John_Burford Nick The brake check and... 09-02-2014, 04:29 AM
NickFavazzo If on track violations are... 09-02-2014, 07:48 AM
Kevin Hayward Julian, My reasons for... 09-02-2014, 07:11 AM
JulianH Thanks for your answer Kevin.... 09-02-2014, 07:40 AM
JulianH I got an answer from Kaley... 09-02-2014, 12:50 PM
apalrd I submitted an inquiry to the... 09-02-2014, 04:11 PM
DMuusers So I'll add in my say on... 09-02-2014, 01:12 PM
JulianH Daniel, I heard the... 09-02-2014, 02:15 PM
DMuusers Hi Julian, we tested... 09-02-2014, 04:03 PM
JulianH I assumed that "making a... 09-03-2014, 04:19 AM
Kevin Hayward Yannick, Please note the... 09-02-2014, 06:02 PM
Kevin Hayward I was just browsing through... 09-02-2014, 08:00 PM
AxelRipper Kev, at least they're... 09-02-2014, 10:59 PM
John_Burford Example of why brace must at... 09-03-2014, 12:32 AM
jd74914 Thanks for the picture John.... 09-03-2014, 07:28 AM
Kevin Hayward Out of interest I thought I... 09-03-2014, 01:22 AM
DMuusers Hey Kev, I'll quote first,... 09-03-2014, 01:42 AM
Kevin Hayward Daniel, I have found these... 09-03-2014, 02:24 AM
Kevin Hayward I have attached two pictures... 09-03-2014, 03:24 AM
Westly Kev: I have been creating a... 09-08-2014, 12:47 AM
Kevin Hayward Julian, I clearly state... 09-03-2014, 05:32 AM
BeunMan Kevin, it will be very hard... 09-03-2014, 06:35 AM
Kevin Hayward Tristan, I agree entirely... 09-03-2014, 07:15 AM
GXP_Matt Yeah, but who in their right... 09-03-2014, 10:00 AM
apalrd With an MTC throttle, you... 09-03-2014, 10:40 AM
JulianH Kevin, I personally think... 09-03-2014, 12:46 PM
DougMilliken As noted in another recent... 09-03-2014, 02:12 PM
Westly Doug, a wiki is not difficult... 09-03-2014, 08:37 PM
mech5496 Uhmmm.....NO! The wiki idea... 09-04-2014, 04:07 AM
Kevin Hayward I have started another thread... 09-04-2014, 04:17 AM
Jay Lawrence Good point regarding... 09-07-2014, 11:11 PM
Khanjee can somebody tell me why does... 09-08-2014, 12:06 PM
apalrd This rule makes perfect... 09-08-2014, 06:40 PM
mhaupt14 Can someone help me... 09-08-2014, 12:56 PM
tromoly Mike, Here is the rule... 09-08-2014, 08:02 PM
mdavis It seems to me like if your... 09-08-2014, 09:33 PM
mhaupt14 This was my concern. I was... 09-09-2014, 03:14 PM
AxelRipper http://i.gyazo.com/6d9a1ec7ca5... 09-09-2014, 09:02 PM
MCoach I think it's supposed to... 09-10-2014, 10:13 AM
Bemo That's exactly how I would... 09-11-2014, 02:14 AM
jd74914 I agree with Bemo, the intent... 09-11-2014, 02:14 PM
AxelRipper OH. I just realized I read... 09-11-2014, 08:35 PM
MCoach FYI for anyone who wasn't... 09-12-2014, 12:39 AM
Bemo And the award for the most... 09-12-2014, 03:24 AM
Jonny Rochester But F1 are hybrid and run... 09-12-2014, 09:21 AM
Kevin Hayward Bemo, Because you asked: ... 09-12-2014, 10:14 AM
Dylan Edmiston The response I got regarding... 09-12-2014, 12:30 PM
MCoach Noise Testing Collaboration... 09-12-2014, 01:15 PM
mech5496 I am pretty sure everyone... 09-12-2014, 04:51 PM
NickFavazzo Objections to including... 09-12-2014, 10:13 PM
MCoach Nick, If you have them on... 09-12-2014, 10:39 PM
NickFavazzo I work at a yamaha dealership... 09-12-2014, 10:42 PM
apalrd Yes. 0.5m (19.5") from the... 09-13-2014, 08:35 AM
bob.paasch No video, I'll try to get... 09-21-2014, 07:51 PM
Mbirt Wow! There you have it... 09-22-2014, 07:54 AM
Kevin Hayward Out of curiosity is anyone... 09-22-2014, 02:18 AM
Kevin Hayward Yannick, Thanks for the... 09-22-2014, 12:27 PM
jd74914 It explains the move to dBc... 09-22-2014, 03:23 PM
Michael Royce Let me chime in with a little... 09-22-2014, 04:52 PM
apalrd While I was noise testing the... 09-23-2014, 10:29 AM
Michael Royce Andrew, The noise test for... 09-23-2014, 11:19 AM
Jay Lawrence As Kev suggested, why not... 09-22-2014, 11:01 PM
Swiftus Warning, this is somewhat... 09-23-2014, 01:18 AM
Bemo Believe it or not, we have... 09-23-2014, 01:38 AM
Mbirt Maybe the eye and... 09-23-2014, 08:26 AM
MCoach Because I just so happened to... 09-23-2014, 11:34 AM
Charles Kaneb I have never owned a road car... 09-23-2014, 05:31 PM
MCoach Charles, you can pick a sound... 09-23-2014, 07:24 PM
Jay Lawrence Bemo, you kinda ignored the... 09-23-2014, 11:15 PM
Bemo As people ignore most of what... 09-24-2014, 01:00 AM
Jonny Rochester Comparisons between race cars... 09-24-2014, 08:51 AM
MCoach I'm about done bickering... 09-24-2014, 09:35 AM
AxelRipper http://www.mtukrc.org/download... 09-26-2014, 12:42 PM
Mbirt http://www.mtukrc.org/download... 09-26-2014, 01:02 PM
apalrd Per IC 1.16 (Brake System... 09-30-2014, 08:20 AM
Some Guy T8.2.3 Any vent on other... 10-01-2014, 06:14 PM
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  1. #11
    I will also comment on the tires:

    In my opinion spec tires are not a good idea. We have seen that different tire size can work well in different conditions. Let the teams figure out what is best for them. I think this diversity is important to FS.

    I agree however that there is a trend to play a lot with the tires to get more performance out of them. This will lead to (even) more money being spent on tires, which is debatable if it is sustainable for the educational aspect (a lot of this knowledge is probably only useful for hill climbing). I don't see a problem with teams using tire softeners per se, it was allowed in my understanding in previous years. But know the extent of what teams are trying to do with tire softeners is getting out of bounds in my opinion.

    To come back to the example, at FSA, there were 3 teams that for sure used a lot of the stuff. As Julian said, some of the tires were wet after the tire protectors were taken away (definitely not water). Also after doing some suspension checks before endurance (and thus touching the tires) my hands were full of rubber.

    The problem is more, as Julian pointed out, that teams have started to have different sets for Acc., Skidpad, AutoX and Endurance. This is, again in my understanding, not allowed. While it originally was the same compound, they are not anymore due to the treatment. A similar / same issue is possible with a team that has self made tires. How do you know if they have the same compound on all dry tires for example?

    I think the suggestion by Julian makes a lot of sense. Like this learning about tires and tire modification is not prohibited but there are some bounds given.
    Another way of handling this is how it is already done at FSG (for custom tires only), where you have to present all tires you have with you. Then the officials selects random sets of four which are marked accordingly.

    Cheers
    Yannick
    Last edited by Yannick; 09-02-2014 at 01:53 PM. Reason: spelling
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