Front Kill switch

[Erich Ohlde]

Anyone have a source on an inexpensive front kill switch (push-pull type)

[Erich Ohlde]

Anyone have a source on an inexpensive front kill switch (push-pull type)

[Biggy72]

I believe any pto switch off of a riding lawn mower would work. I don't have the parts resources like I used to, but I just did a quick search on google and found a few here

http://search.cartserver.com/search/search.cgi?cartid=a...&keywords=pto+switch (http://search.cartserver.com/search/search.cgi?cartid=a-8671&category=AYP_Parts&maxhits=20&keywords=pto+switch)

[Erich Ohlde]

Sweet. The only other ones I was finding were like 30-60 bucks

[Lexusteck]

Erich have you tried the aircraft salvage site in KCK. It has lots of interesting electrical stuff.
Steve Roberts

[Mike Flitcraft]

generic parts store pull style head lamp switch should work fine.

[drivetrainUW-Platt]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jayhawk_electrical:
Sweet. The only other ones I was finding were like 30-60 bucks </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


HUH?? your an electrical guy and you couldnt find a 2 dollar switch?????
dont over complicate things:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Heavy-Duty-Toggle-DPDT-On-On-Switch...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/Heavy-Duty-Toggle-DPDT-On-On-Switch-20A-125VAC-Car-Boat_W0QQitemZ140044630105QQihZ004QQcategoryZ14932 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

[Biggy72]

I believe for this year it has to be a push pull type switch, not a toggle. It even has a picture in the rules. It's on Page 45 of this year's rules.

[Erich Ohlde]

Take that switch to competition as your front kill switch and see how long it takes to pass tech

[Steve Yao]

Hope i am not shooting myself in the foot if these sell out, but this is probably what we will use:

$16
Automation Direct (http://web2.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/Pushbuttons_-z-_Switches_-z-_Indicators/Eaton_Cutler-Hammer_22mm_(E22_Series)/Emergency_Stop_-z-_Mushroom_Pushbuttons_-a-_Stations/E22LLB2B)

[James Waltman]

Steve, that switch seems awful industrial. Might be nice for some sort of machine tool.

I realize that those are the kind of switches that the rules show.
I might be looking for Snowmobile Kill Switches...

[drivetrainUW-Platt]

In the past that switch hasnt given us any problems thru tech, I wans't aware of a rule change.

[Poe]

see:
3.4.9.2 IP Master Switch Mandate Push-to-Off switch alongside the steering wheel.

Has anyone found a small switch of this type? All I've come across so far are big headlight type switches, which will be obnoxious on the dash of the car. I think it is ridiculous to require a huge safety switch on the dash. It especially upsets me that they picture a PTO switch from a lawnmower in the rules. WTF!? If someone can't figure out how to throw a toggle switch in the opposite direction in a panic situation, they should not be driving the car in the first place.

[Bill Kunst]

What, does fsae need backup lights as well? I wish I knew the reasoning. Are there other divisions of racing hat require this? Or is this just to stir the pot for the teams that show up with the same wiring and dash setup year to year? Just a little curious.

Bill Kunst

Oh, has anyone thought of doing biometrics for the key on? That would be cool, like night rider. "Hello, Jon Smith, good luck with your race." As the engine starts up.

[Chris Boyden]

Thanks for the link SYao...

[BeaverGuy]

The issue may be a safety related issue propogating from Mini-Baja. I believe that they have been required to have push pull type switches as both the back and front switch for a few years. And last year they even mandated the style and maybe even the exact switch that had to be used. I would even suggest looking at the switch that your baja teams use, as the one the Oregon State team uses is little bigger than a toggle switch and far from the size of the suggestions I've seen on here.

[rjwoods77]

The switch in the mini baja rules is a push pull ski-doo.

http://www.mfgsupply.com/m/c/01-171.html?id=EfCUXvxw

[James Waltman]

A snowmobile switch? That's genius!
I thought my hint above would be enough...
These kill switches don't have to be big industrial types.
The picture from Rob's link:
http://www.mfgsupply.com/img/snowmobile/elect/01-171.jpg

A push-to-kill switch makes a lot of sense. A toggle switch can work but the push-to-kill type is more certain. You just have to take a slap at it.
Don't all machine tools have the same system?
This is a simple safety rule that is completely reasonable.

[Parker]

We have used these switches from mini-baja before. we use them for the front kill switch, as well as the brake over-travel switch. they work extremely well.

[Poe]

Our Mini Baja team uses the ski doo switches too, and they seem to break all the time. From our team's experience, and at 20 bucks a piece, they are just not reliable enough to use. I'll keep searching...

[James Waltman]

Unreliable? In what way?
Has anyone else heard of this type of switch being unreliable?

Maybe if it's mounted so that it breaks off when a baja car rolls over.
Or maybe the generic ones aren't very good.
There is nothing inherent in those switches that makes them unreliable. They are standard on millions of snowmobiles.

I've seen them break when a sled takes a big tumble down a mountain. Even then, they still perform their duty.

[Poe]

I call them unreliable because they break. And, no, it's not because the baja car rolled over on it. In fact, right now, the driver kill switch is the one that is broken (won't turn on), while the one that is on the outside of the car works fine. It's not a cheap generic switch; it is the Polaris or skidoo switch or whatever is mandated by Baja rules. Sure they turn off, but what happens if it breaks when you need to restart the car after driver change in endurance? Not worth the chance to me.

[drivetrainUW-Platt]

whats next, tether switches like snowmobiles and jetski's?

[overdrive535]

You must be hitting the switch with a hammer to break it, because I flipped my sled (I'm from Minnesota) on ice seven years ago, cracked up the hood, the fuel gauge dome, and the kill switch button, and my head, but the switch itself still works to this day. Of course, it is from an Arctic Cat and not a Ski-Doo

[Poe]

No hammers involved, I promise. They aren't so much breaking visibly, it's just that after a few big jumps they don't switch on anymore. I don't know all the details because I work on Formula, but I know that Baja complains about the switches a lot.