KAWASAKI KLF Differential

[paikia]

Anyone here knows where to get a Kawasaki KLF differential? I am in urgent need of this differential.... http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[paikia]

Anyone here knows where to get a Kawasaki KLF differential? I am in urgent need of this differential.... http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[John Valerio]

how urgent?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/86-Kawasaki-KLF300-KLF-3...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/86-Kawasaki-KLF300-KLF-300-Bayou-Rear-end-differential_W0QQitemZ330130805976QQihZ014QQcatego ryZ43972QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

[paikia]

I am in the process of designing my differential for 2007 car. Thinking of getting one KLF Diff and using its internals as my diff internals. Do you have any infomation on the diff you posted? I searched online and also found this. I am just not sure if it is suitable for our use...Appreciate your help if more info could be provided... http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[murpia]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by paikia:
I am in the process of designing my differential for 2007 car. Thinking of getting one KLF Diff and using its internals as my diff internals. Do you have any infomation on the diff you posted? I searched online and also found this. I am just not sure if it is suitable for our use...Appreciate your help if more info could be provided... http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That diff is either fully open or manually locked - there's no torque biasing or LSD feature. Doesn't seem suitable to FSAE to me...

Regards, Ian

[paikia]

I was inspired by FSAE team from University of Michigan - Ann Arbor. I saw this type of diff mentioned in their design board. Are you saying that this KLF diff is not a LSD diff? Are they clucth packs in the diff? Could anyone from Michigan - Ann Arbor provide info for me? I appreciate that. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[JerryLH3]

I've found when researching various ATV diffs that www.bikebandit.com (http://www.bikebandit.com) is a big help. They have expanded parts diagrams that will usually be detailed enough for you to see what kind of differential it is. I probably wouldn't go through model after model to find the right one, but if I got a lead on something that might work, it'd be the first place I'd look for a detailed view.

[John Valerio]

jerry, thats an amazing website, thanks for sharing it!

and yeah,

http://www.bikebandit.com/partsbandit/showschematic.asp?dept_id=276294

and unless i'm missing something huge, i'm with ian on this one.

[paikia]

Thanks for the help, guys.. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.bikebandit.com/partsbandit/showschema
tic.asp?dept_id=1072206

I found this from bikebandit.com..what do you guys thinks of that?

[John Valerio]

salisbury LSD if i'm not mistaken...although i haven't seen one with so few friction plates. change between parts 92180/A through D (different thickness washers) to change the preload on springs 92144 and friction plates 13088 and 13088A to change your bias ratio.

search for the thread "lets talk atv differentials" and theres a wicked discussion on the pros and cons of many types of diffs, including this type.

[JerryLH3]

Yeah, bikebandit.com is a huge help. I've used it to look at hubs as well.

And actually, I have gone through looking at diffs one by one. I knew the certain range of what I was looking for, but couldn't remember the exact model or year. I made sure to write it down when I found what I wanted though.

[drivetrainUW-Platt]

What is that lever/cam for, turning it on/off the front drivetrain or is it for locking it to make it a "spool"?

[John Valerio]

i would say to lock it. the older model KLFs (the ebay link and the first schematic link) didn't have a salisbury by the looks of the drawings, and an ATV with an open only diff would be pretty useless.

i'm still trying to wrap my head around how the locking mechanism actually engages, and the poor quality pic doesnt help much. any ideas?

[murpia]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by John Valerio:
i'm still trying to wrap my head around how the locking mechanism actually engages, and the poor quality pic doesnt help much. any ideas? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That 'C' shaped thing '13140' twists when you turn the lever '13160' and forces the '150?5' thing which is splined to one output shaft into the castellated part of the housing '11012' thus locking the diff...!
Regards, Ian

[paikia]

Beside Kawasaki KLF Differential, any other atv diff you guys think might suit our application?
I found this on www.BikeBandit.com (http://www.BikeBandit.com) -

http://houseofmotorcycles.bikebandit.com/partsbandit/oe...5FGW+GRIZZLY+450.asp (http://houseofmotorcycles.bikebandit.com/partsbandit/oem_schematic_view%7Eschem_dept_id%7E2409357%7Esec tion_dept_id%7E1%7Esection_dept_name%7EOEM+%28Stoc k%29+Parts%7Edept_type_id%7E2%7Emodel_dept_year%7E 2007%7Emodel_dept_mfr%7EYamaha%7Emodel_dept_id%7E2 409342%7Emodel_dept_name%7EYFM45FGW+GRIZZLY+450.as p)

The diff is not shown in exploded view likes other parts. Do you guys think this is a salisbury diff? Anyone has any experience on this? http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[drivetrainUW-Platt]

If you are interested, go to a dealership that sells the brand of atv this thing is in, and ask them to look at the service manual and make some copies of the parts.

The drawing you have is just from the parts book, the service books should have acutal images of the parts.

[paikia]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by drivetrainUW-Platt:
If you are interested, go to a dealership that sells the brand of atv this thing is in, and ask them to look at the service manual and make some copies of the parts.

The drawing you have is just from the parts book, the service books should have acutal images of the parts. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The country that I am in has no atv dealer. That is why I need some you guys' advice in these matters.But, thanks for your advice anyway. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

With regard to the link that I posted - http://houseofmotorcycles.bikebandit.com/partsbandit/oe...5FGW+GRIZZLY+450.asp

It is a differential from Yamaha atv (item 12 in the drawing). Anyone here knows whether it is a salisbury? Thanks for the help from you guys again. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Hooffinator]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by paikia:
I was inspired by FSAE team from University of Michigan - Ann Arbor. I saw this type of diff mentioned in their design board. Are you saying that this KLF diff is not a LSD diff? Are they clucth packs in the diff? Could anyone from Michigan - Ann Arbor provide info for me? I appreciate that. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is a Salisbury Diff. Beware that ones you get off ebay often have extremely worn clutch plates.

[flavorPacket]

paikia, why do you think that the best way to make a car is to do what another team does? The entire point of this competition is to force yourself to learn by doing it yourself.

And yes, if you saw Michigan during endurance (the whole 7 minutes we were out there), you'd definitely have noticed that the clutch plates in our diff were worn. The inside tire was very vocal (and smoky) on track.

[paikia]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by flavorPacket:
paikia, why do you think that the best way to make a car is to do what another team does? The entire point of this competition is to force yourself to learn by doing it yourself.

And yes, if you saw Michigan during endurance (the whole 7 minutes we were out there), you'd definitely have noticed that the clutch plates in our diff were worn. The inside tire was very vocal (and smoky) on track. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am sorry. I think that was not what I meant. I have never thought that the best way is to copy. I am learning and I will do it myself. The whole point of my posting is to learn from those who have experiences in doing salisabury diff. I need professional advices, not some unconstructive comments. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[NeoViper]

flavorPacket: why the hostility? everyone is here to learn. isn't that what the competition is about? are you able to tell him whether this differential is better or worse?

he comes from a country without ATVs, seeing something like that on another school probably adds a new perspective to the design possibilities available. I do not see what is wrong with trying out and finding out for sure if the salisbury diff is a better system. in fact, if i had the time and resources, I would want to try out every new system I observe at the competition. That is how people learn.

paikia: I wish you the best in finding the parts and information you need soon. keep the spirit of learning and racing alive....

[paikia]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hooffinator:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by paikia:
I was inspired by FSAE team from University of Michigan - Ann Arbor. I saw this type of diff mentioned in their design board. Are you saying that this KLF diff is not a LSD diff? Are they clucth packs in the diff? Could anyone from Michigan - Ann Arbor provide info for me? I appreciate that. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is a Salisbury Diff. Beware that ones you get off ebay often have extremely worn clutch plates. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok. Thanks for your advice. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[flavorPacket]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NeoViper:
are you able to tell him whether this differential is better or worse?

...
I do not see what is wrong with trying out and finding out for sure if the salisbury diff is a better system. in fact, if i had the time and resources, I would want to try out every new system I observe at the competition. That is how people learn. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

first answer: no, I can't. Nobody can. That's my point.

as for your second point, I agree with you: there's nothing really wrong with trying to use the forums to learn more. But in my experience there are better ways to spend that time and energy.

and paikia, sorry for disrupting your thread. I apologise if my previous post offended you. Though definitely curt, my response was supposed to make sure that you're not considering this diff just because it was on a car you think is worth looking at (and let me tell you, this is certainly an area where you and I disagree). If you considered running a salisbury before you saw it on michigan's car, by all means go on. But if you only added it as an option later, which is the impression I got from your earlier post, be careful. You don't know the compromises they made.