any team install NOS on your car ??

[Vicjoy]

in some RacingGame like NFS,and some movies,
the NOS is very cool,it improve the acceleration obviously.
does it work if we install the system on our FSAE car? I have no idea...

[Vicjoy]

in some RacingGame like NFS,and some movies,
the NOS is very cool,it improve the acceleration obviously.
does it work if we install the system on our FSAE car? I have no idea...

[Scrappy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Vicjoy:
does it work if we install the system on our FSAE car? I have no idea... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

if you have ever touched the rulebook you would know the answer to your own question. in fact, if you even know anything about FSAE you would know the answer to your own question.

[TorqueWrench]

Reading the rulebook or doing a bit of research is so last year. The new fad is just to post up questions and let others do the work for you.

[poe21]

HMMM. Energy drink in the gas tank?? What a great idea!!!! All your base are belong to us!!!

you are not allowed is the answer to your question. Now I don't feel like a total d-bag

[exFSAE]

Don't listen to the haters. NOS is perfectly acceptable and in fact encouraged.

[poe21]

NOS is only productive if activated by a flashing red button on a skull and cross bones shifter. It helps if Vin Diesel pushes the button.

[MarcusT]

You need two of the big bottles. But, be warned: you'll have so much torque, it will twist the chassis off the line.

[TorqueWrench]

And be careful not to spray too early. If you do, you wont make it to the end of the race and may blow the fusion welds. If your floor pan drops out, you know you have blown your intake manifold.

[RenM]

NOS is of best use when inhaled by the driver in the right dosage. Will make him drive WAY faster

[Sooner_Electrical]

This has to be a fake question, I mean if it works in the movies and NFS clearly it will work in an FSAE car. Also I believe NOS works really well if you are ever being chased by a police helicopter while in a ditch, But be prepared to jump 20 cars and an ambulance after.

[barba_p]

It's especially usefull in accelereation event.
You will also have to install a waste catch can of minimum 1L or 10% of NOS bottle displacement.
We use coco chanel NO5

[Bobby Doyle]

What are you guys talking about?


You only need the NOS sticker to make the car faster.

[mlee35]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bobby Doyle:
What are you guys talking about?


You only need the NOS sticker to make the car faster. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, you forgot that you need the install underbody lights and a flamethrower exhaust to take get the power increase from the stickers

[Pennyman]

You might lose your floorpan if you aren't careful...

[EHog]

the concern is not the floorpan... that will be blown off long after the driver passes out because of the 8G acceleration due to NOS. Didn't you hear? If you aim the purge towards the tires, you get a frictional coefficient of 4.7!

[PabloH]

So... let me see if I got this right. I have to have two bottles, but is there a way for the stream to be pointed upwards adding some down force?

[Whis]

Yeah dude! All you have to do is put NOX stickers on the top of your car. That adds downforce. Make sure you put it as far out in the front if its rear wheel or as far out in the back as possible if it is front wheel drive.

Oh, the bottles you have. Put them in for show and so when you meet Chinese gangsters your car blows up. If you use them, you'll blow the welds on your intake.

[AxelRipper]

bro, of course as long as you dont fire the NOS too early, then it should play nicely with your vtec yo

oh... and bra, always make sure you double clutch like you should! none of that granny shifting crap!

[PBnG]

Nitrous done in true style. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoxEis_Y7F0)

[J.R.]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sooner_Electrical:
This has to be a fake question, I mean if it works in the movies and NFS clearly it will work in an FSAE car. Also I believe NOS works really well if you are ever being chased by a police helicopter while in a ditch, But be prepared to jump 20 cars and an ambulance after. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I actually did very sketchy hand calcs (projectile motion) and determined that given his V0 of 100 mph (speedometer) and ~30 deg incline of the ramp and the height difference of ~10 ft from the top of the ramp to the ground, he would have been able to jump around 1/4 mile. And the jump looked so realistic in the movie, I don't think they used a green screen or computer effects or anything! http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[VFR750R]

Go Baby Go

[alumasteel]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by J.R.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sooner_Electrical:
This has to be a fake question, I mean if it works in the movies and NFS clearly it will work in an FSAE car. Also I believe NOS works really well if you are ever being chased by a police helicopter while in a ditch, But be prepared to jump 20 cars and an ambulance after. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I actually did very sketchy hand calcs (projectile motion) and determined that given his V0 of 100 mph (speedometer) and ~30 deg incline of the ramp and the height difference of ~10 ft from the top of the ramp to the ground, he would have been able to jump around 1/4 mile. And the jump looked so realistic in the movie, I don't think they used a green screen or computer effects or anything! http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is that with or without drag? http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Luniz]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bobby Doyle:
What are you guys talking about?


You only need the NOS sticker to make the car faster. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We actually did that last year. We had an unused button in the steering wheel and labeled it "NOS". The design judges didn't think it was very funny though...

[SamB]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Luniz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bobby Doyle:
What are you guys talking about?


You only need the NOS sticker to make the car faster. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We actually did that last year. We had an unused button in the steering wheel and labeled it "NOS". The design judges didn't think it was very funny though... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Since being on display in the main engineering building our car developed cruise control, NOS and a turbo button. Amazing how many guillable engineers there are around here...

[Drew Price]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Luniz:
We actually did that last year. We had an unused button in the steering wheel and labeled it "NOS". The design judges didn't think it was very funny though... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Unused? http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Our wheel didn't even have buttons, could our team have your extras this year?



Maybe you could hi-jack a tanker truck of bioethanol for the kid in the other thread.... http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


Best,
Drew

[Luniz]

We had two buttons in the steering wheel, one for the starter of the engine and the other one was supposed to be the acticvation of the auto-upshift. But since our electronic guys were use- and clueless, auto-upshift didn't work so we had an unused button which was then labeled "Nos"
Funny thing ist though, that we still won acceleration twice... ;-)

[Fred G]

I guess the secret is out now on how UWA won the 2008 FSAE championship title... and there's photographic evidence to prove it.

Look behind the exhaust...

http://motorsport.mech.uwa.edu.au/typo3temp/pics/988e7cb2d7.jpg

I feel ashamed... http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Fred

[LCT]

I don't understand, how can you make use of NOS without at least one giant wing and obnoxious vinyl graphic on the car?

[D.J.]

you cant have vinyl without visible primer

[Adambomb]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tgman:
Someone did suggest hiding a NOS bottle in an oversized plenum or a 'turbo charger' with an inconspicuous pipe leading into an unlabelled tank.

Might of been a bit suspicious, particularly the planned red 'go baby go' button, or the fast and furious blue flames. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually...if you did a dry system, and had it activated by WOT, it would be possible to hide one in the plenum without any extra switches or plumbing. Then for the solenoid just make a "custom" IAT sensor with an extra wire that passed through, or perhaps run a wire through a vacuum hose to a gutted out MAP sensor.

Of course, it's all fine and good until you get caught...

[t21jj]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Adambomb:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tgman:
Someone did suggest hiding a NOS bottle in an oversized plenum or a 'turbo charger' with an inconspicuous pipe leading into an unlabelled tank.

Might of been a bit suspicious, particularly the planned red 'go baby go' button, or the fast and furious blue flames. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually...if you did a dry system, and had it activated by WOT, it would be possible to hide one in the plenum without any extra switches or plumbing. Then for the solenoid just make a "custom" IAT sensor with an extra wire that passed through, or perhaps run a wire through a vacuum hose to a gutted out MAP sensor.

Of course, it's all fine and good until you get caught... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And odds are that you will. In that case the costs (personal and school reputation when you are disqualified) out weigh the benefits.

[tgman]

I somehow think that the time spend trying to craft a creative system to hide the damm thing would take longer than making the car properly in the first place. Since flat out speed is only a consideration in two events its not worth the effort or risk.
Just build a light car that doesn't break down during enduro. Far better idea

[exFSAE]

Running a 3.0 accel run would be worth it http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Even if the car blew up at the end.

Just to hear the crowd go "OHHHHHHHHH!"

[Steve O]

Two things:

1) Ever been to a drag strip? You know who is spraying without even looking under the hood, the car smells different and sounds different. I know someone will say nitrous is colorless/odorless and you would be wrong - it has a mild sweet smell to it and the fuel its helping burn + the extra fuel you are dumping in is definitely not odorless and the smell of that changes as well. So the point here, try all you want to hide it, but if anyone there has any first hand experience with nitrous they will know without even looking in your engine bay.

2)In response to the flat out speed comment... that's a movie misnomer about NOS - The nitrogen is there to keep the gas stable in the tank and splits away from the oxygen in the hot cylinder. The oxygen is there because it's an accelerant it helps burn the fuel hotter and more complete and allows you to dump even more fuel in the cylinder which = more torque and consequently hp (pretty much the reverse of your restrictor!). Too bad there isn't something else that does something similar... oh wait a turbo charger would help this out a little bit too and it would be legal so that might be your best place to start looking for solutions to the power problem! That said it does not improve your top speed as long as you are capable of hitting redline (redline RPM factored with your final drive = top speed, with NOS your redline wouldn't change =&gt; top speed doesn't change!).

[Adambomb]

Yeah, fun to talk about, but that's about it. I would guess that the small number of people with the abilities to successfully pull it off also know better than to try...especially seeing as how it would arguably only be useful in accel anyway.

And for anyone else, let's see that 3.0 accel run, I'll bring my popcorn. +50 points for blowing up at the end! http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Zac]

Two Responses:

1. It's been a while since I've dealt with thermodynamics, but I'm pretty sure the Nitrogen is there to keep your flame temperatures down. Dumping oxygen into your cylinders without some sort of inert gas is a pretty good recipe for liquefied pistons. Also, the typical FSAE car sounds soooo bad that no official is going to grow suspicious based on engine sound. I do agree however that this is a terrible idea.

2. NOS would have one big advantage over a turbo, you would no be limited by the amount of air you can get through the restrictor. This is likely why it's against the rules.

Of course, I think there are way more points to be had with a variable displacement fuel tank. I mean, if you're going to cheat, go big.

[Adambomb]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zac:
2. NOS would have one big advantage over a turbo, you would no be limited by the amount of air you can get through the restrictor. This is likely why it's against the rules.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

...especially if you're fogging it (or putting the whole damned tank) in the plenum, behind the restrictor...

I know, as t21jj will attest from years of hanging out with me, I am an excellent source for terrible ideas and probably a terrible influence on children http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif .

[Steve O]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zac:
I mean, if you're going to cheat, go big. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I second that!

[t21jj]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Adambomb:
I know, as t21jj will attest from years of hanging out with me, I am an excellent source for terrible ideas and probably a terrible influence on children http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif . </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Quoted for truth!