Garrett GT12 and GT15V 3D models

[Kirk Feldkamp]

Hello all.

I've got the models for the GT15V collected, and am hunting down a couple last things for the GT12 today.

What file formats are people going to want? I think I'm going to offer them in CatiaV5, stl, and iges. Are there any other special requests? Speak now or forever hold your peace. I expect the files to be ready by the end of next week (when I will probably hear back from the designer in France). I'm not sure how we're going to do the distribution. Any preferences?

-Kirk

[Captain Redbeard]

A Pro/E version would be perfect if you can. Thanks!

[James Waltman]

Kirk,
I have had some good luck with step files (.stp or .step). They seem to work better if you want to generate CNC tool-paths.
You were going to have models with all of the internal parts filled in right?

I can host them at WWU and put them up with all of this info (http://fsae.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/125607348/m/41410016521).

That would avoid those long ˜me too' threads.

[Kamil S]

I guess IGES would work, but I would love a Solidworks model. I guess Catia would work fine on SW?

my e/mail is kamilsalloum -at- gmail -dot- com

[Kirk Feldkamp]

Bump! Anyone else want to see anything else? STL and IGES (maybe STEP) are probably going to be the two (or three) formats because we don't use SW or ProE. You can convert them from there if you feel the need.

James, I think we'll take you up on the offer to host the files. It seems to have been an effective way to distribute the drawings and maps. We will definitely include the models in all of our future sponsorship materials. And yes, all the models will be filled. They are intended to aide in packaging.

-Kirk

[ARCTurbo]

If it is possible a Solid edge model would be great.

[James Waltman]

Will the housings be separate parts? I know we re-clocked our GT12 from the original orientation. I suppose it wouldn't be too much work for teams to manipulate the models if they were all one piece.

Just email the models when you have them all. You can just send me the CATIA models and I can do the conversions.

I won't bother converting them to SW, SE, or Pro/E unless people are having trouble with the generic formats (I would just open the iges file in those programs and ˜save as' so you wouldn't gain anything).

[Dominic819]

ottawa U would really like a solid works one.

[Ryan Schoffer]

i made a SW version of the GT15V a couple years back - could email to someone who would host it

[Erick Scarpone]

Hey kirk a solidworks file would be great!!!! or a .step also could work thanks!!!
Great helping dude!!!
We have the GT12 on solidworks do you want it?? Any one wants us to send it to them???
We want the GT15V, one question would this file be all the parts of the turbo. Because we need the geometry of the compressor rotor as we are making heavy intake design to have a 0,85 mach velocity at the intake of the compressor, but we need the rotor's ? to calculate the triangle of velocity and direct the air flow with out creating any vortex???
Would this info be available??
Sorry if I did not explain my self right, is hard to translate from Spanish all the technical stuff!!!
If not could we get this information?? Thanks!!!

[Kamil S]

hi erick could you please send me your GT-12 file?
it's kamilsalloum at gmail dot com
thx

[310Turbo]

Sorry Erick et all - the models will be solid filled, so no details on the internals.

[James Waltman]

I have the CAD models up now for the Garrett GT12 and GT15V.
Kirk, you're awesome for doing this.

These are pretty sweet models.
http://www.wwufsae.com/Shared_FSAE_CAD_Library/Engine/Turbo/GT12_CHS.JPG

There are .iges and .step files for both. There are native CATIA files for the GT15V. I'm not going to convert any to other file formats unless people are having trouble.
Some more details here: <STRIKE>Read Me (http://dot.etec.wwu.edu/fsae/HostedPics/Turbo/Garrett_FSAE/All_Garrett_CAD_models/READ_ME.pdf) </STRIKE>

<STRIKE>Download all of the files at once here. (about 11MB) (http://dot.etec.wwu.edu/fsae/HostedPics/Turbo/Garrett_FSAE/All_Garrett_CAD_models/Garrett_Turbo_CAD_Models.zip) </STRIKE>

Moved Here: http://www.wwufsae.com/Shared_FSAE_CAD_Library/Engine/Turbo/

If you want maps and more info – look here (http://fsae.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/125607348/m/41410016521).


Edit: All of the files are have been moved to the Shared CAD Library. Here:
http://www.wwufsae.com/Shared_FSAE_CAD_Library/Engine/Turbo/

[Kamil S]

Makes one wicked assembly... thanks guys.

http://www.public.asu.edu/~ksalloum/myspace/assem1.jpg

[Kirk Feldkamp]

Enjoy! I wish I had these when I was still in school. I really hope these models will allow teams to spend more time TESTING AND TUNING instead of modeling. I also hope these models will aid teams in better integrating our turbos into their cars. Remember you can get the drawings and installation info from us (Garrett) or download them from James' hosted site. These models will be included in all of our future sponsorship materials. I'm going to also see if we can get them put up on the egarrett.com site.

-Kirk

[rjwoods77]

Would be real cool to have bigger stuff available too for making turbo systems on real cars. Not for educational purposes but the money will end up in your pocket when the turbos are sourced.

[Erick Scarpone]

Hey Kamil do you still want me to send the gt12 in solidworks, I'm looking at the one send by kirk and it hs more detail and is way much better, tell me if you still want it bye.

P.D. Kirk Thanks man!!! These models are great!!!

[Alexandre D.]

Nice model!
Those render makes me want to switch to CATIA :P

[Kamil S]

thx Erick... I switched all IGS to SW and finalized an assembly.

[James Waltman]

Alexandre,
That's just a screen shot from CATIA. The photo rendering workbench can make much nicer images.

Kirk was asking me if there is a way to keep track of who has downloaded these. I really don't know much about website stuff. Honestly, this is the extent (http://dot.etec.wwu.edu/fsae/HostedPics/Turbo/Garrett_FSAE/All_Garrett_CAD_models/) of my web design capability.

So does anyone have any suggestions on how to add a simple download counter?

[sr16ve]

can someone send me drawings for the GT12 in solidworks format?
my email is sr16ve@gmail.com

thanks

[Travis Garrison]

Kirk, nice work, thank you much that will help packaging quite a bit.

And of course...thanks for hosting it James...shouldn't you be working?

sr16ve, solidworks will open .stp and .igs, you're better off converting the originals yourself.

-Travis

[ARCTurbo]

I am having trouble with solid edge. I have converted the stp and igs files to solid edge part files, these look ok. When I try to assemble them they do not work properly only showing one part of the main body.

Can anyone help

[Kirk Feldkamp]

Have you tried just importing the files directly into the assembly rather than converting them first? The parts should all be located correctly the way I packaged them. I haven't really used Solidworks much, so maybe someone with more Solidworks experience can chime in.

-Kirk

[James Waltman]

Hey ARC (Chad right?),
I finally got around to trying this at work for you. I didn't have any luck so I came here to try and find some help. Looks like you beat me to it.

I get the same results as you. I can import the Iges and Step files into Solid Edge and save the result as a part. I can't bring that part into an assembly. I also tried Kirk's suggestion and tried to import the iges file straight into the assembly. I can't do that either (at least not on the seat of Solid Edge I have at work).

My knowledge of Solid Edge is pretty limited though. Anyone else have any ideas?

[Kirk Feldkamp]

Ahh, I misunderstood what you were trying to do. I have zero experience with SolidEdge, so I can't be of any help there. How is SolidEdge different from SolidWorks?

James: It looks like you used Catia to make the screen shot of the GT12 housing you posted. Is that correct? It looks like Kamil S got something to work in what looks like Solidworks.

-Kirk

[Jersey Tom]

Are you running the latest version and service pack of SolidEdge? I have no experience with it, but I've had to do a lot with dump solids, machining parts made in Solidworks and Inventor.

Whatever translator that was used to create the Step or Iges file might be of a newer version than the translator in your version of SolidEdge.

In addition, sometimes these things are just damn weird. For example there have been times a design engineer has sent us something as an IGES, and it just doesn't come in right no matter what we try. Missing faces and everything. When its brought in as a parasolid, works like a charm. Parasolids I've had nothing but good luck with.

That said I'm downloading the files now.. gonna try to import them into my old, home copy of Solidworks04. Wont be till Jan 4th I get back to '05.

[Jersey Tom]

Yea, some parts work fine, some get some nasty missing faces. Some of those are easy to heal, others.. no way. We'll see if '05 likes it any better

In fact, you can even see some of the missing faces in the screenshot James posted http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[James Waltman]

Ahh yes - Parasolids.
Alright, I think I got it figured out.

Open the Iges file as a new part in SE.
Save this as a Parasolid
Open a blank new part
Use: Insert>>Part Copy to bring the Parasolid in.
Save this as a Solid Edge Part
Open an assembly
Insert the Solid Edge part

Does that make sense? Does that work?
This seems like a pretty drawn out process. I don't know if I should chalk this up to my limited SE skills or just SE limitations...
Any SE users out there know better way?
I have Solid Edge V16 at work (http://www.solidedge.com/successes/files/AdamAircraft.cs.12.pdf). It's a respectable program for the price but not nearly as powerful as some of the high-end programs. We have a few seats of UG/NX for the complex stuff.

[Kirk Feldkamp]

James,

Could you add the SE stuff you got to work to the zip file so people don't have to futz around with that again?

-Kirk

[Jersey Tom]

Gah, for as good Solidworks is for the price, its surfacing functionality is crap.

I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU to save some parasolids.

Whats weird though, is even in the picture James shows, theres missing faces and you can see into the "interior" of the part. Is that picture you posted here the original, native solidpart or one of the IGES / STEP translations?

Edit - Through much screwing around, got the Solidworks '04 parts and assembly for the GT15V to work.. though its kinda ghetto fab. Some of the parts are true solids, others are just exterior surfaces. But it has no rebuild errors and it works just fine for packaging checks

Edit 2 - The GT12_THWA file is the only one on that assembly that is totally hosed when I try to bring it into SW04. Theres just huge holes where complex surfaces would be. See what I can do about it, but.. damn! Parasolid sure would be nice.. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Edit 3 - Blah screw it. I'll just wait till I get back to SW'05. If it worked for Kamil..

[Kirk Feldkamp]

HAHA. Sorry to be giving you all fits.

The all of the original solid files (both turbos) were Catia V4. If anyone has done any conversions from V4 to V5, you know can be a pain in the butt sometimes. Another designer a few years back had converted the GT12 into an IGES file, but it was all one chunk, and I couldn't find the GT12 solid models anywhere. I decided to just split up the sections and package them.

The GT15V was a bit easier. I found a V5 assembly with everything in it. I filled up cores and split up the parts into manageable pieces.

I noticed that when I converted some of the parts into IGES that a few of the surfaces disappeared, but none of them were going to effect the intent (packaging) of the files.

-Kirk

[Jersey Tom]

True. The models could just be simple cylinders and crap and still work for packaging, but these ones look fantastic.

Hmm, if the surfaces vanished on your end.. '05 prob wont make much difference.

In any case, for any team stuck with '04, I just wrapped up all the GT12 parts and assembly. There's 1 face missing, but eh. Has no errors. And gets the job done.

http://webfiles.colorado.edu/szelag/gt/GT12.SLDPRT (5.9MB)

http://webfiles.colorado.edu/szelag/gt/GT15V.SLDPRT (4.2MB)

http://webfiles.colorado.edu/szelag/gt/GT12_SW04.zip (10.7MB)

http://webfiles.colorado.edu/szelag/gt/GT15V_SW04.zip (7.6MB)

You can either download the turbo assembly as one chunk sldprt's, or, grab the zip which has the individual files and assembly

http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~szelag/gt15v.jpg

That aint bad for a screenshot straight from Solidworks '04, Student Edition

[simonsuarez]

Hey Erick could you send me the gt12 in solidworks? My address simon.suarez@gmail.com Te lo agradezco altamente pana!

Simon Suarez
FSAE-LUZ
http://www.fsae-luz.org
Maracaibo, Venezuela

[Jersey Tom]

The post right above yours... has links.. to the models in Solidworks format. Mira!

[simonsuarez]

Didnt see that thanks

[ARCTurbo]

I have been playing around some more chaging settings ect but have not got much further. I tried using the solidworks files and converting them(I also have SW but all my other files are in SE) but still no luck.

The main problem is that it is importing as solids which will show up in assembly and surfaces which dont.

Are the original catia files solids only? Does anyone know how to make the parts all solid.

Thanks

Chad

[Jersey Tom]

Ughhhh... making the parts all solid from a surface file, not always easy. Needs to be completely enclosed, no gaps, no duplicate faces.. and when I imported these things there were lots of errors like those. I healed up as many as I could and make as many files solid as I could, but still, theres enough data missing that I don't see it possible to really close these up.

[Kirk Feldkamp]

Is it not possible for Solidworks to use the individual surface (IGES) files within an assembly? My intention was for you to be able to drop in the pieces and design around/with them. That is how I do my work in Catia when we use our 3D scanner or grab data from a CMM. Am I missing something about the functionality of Solidworks?

The problem will always be there isn't a good way to transmit a solid between platforms. When we send out casting models to suppliers we usually send them as IGES files. I'm willing to put in the time to get people what they need, but as far as I can tell, most people seem to be getting by with the files available already. Can anyone comment on the robustness of the models Jersey Tom posted? I'm guessing they work great, but I'd just like some people to confirm that before I add them to the 'master' zip file.

Thanks,
Kirk

[James Waltman]

Can we confirm which CAD programs have successfully opened these files?
They open fine with CATIA.
I can open the individual parts with Solid Edge although assemblies seem to be a bit of a trick.
It looks like Jersey Tom and Kamil got them to open fine with SolidWorks.
How about Pro/E, UG/NX, Inventor, Ideas, etc? Has anyone had luck with other programs?

I'll add anything to the zip file that I put up if people need it. I don't know if it will be much help to include the SW files since they are just imported IGES models (and it looks like they work pretty well for people). Any Parasolids would just be from the original IGES files too so I'm not sure how much that would help.

Explaination of the original files. (http://dot.etec.wwu.edu/fsae/HostedPics/Turbo/Garrett_FSAE/All_Garrett_CAD_models/READ_ME.pdf)

[Jersey Tom]

Kirk-

SolidWorks, works just fine with solid models, surface models, and combination solid and surface models in assemblies.

SolidEdge is apparently a different story.

Personally I like solids. Make more sense to me, and I love section views! When I made all my models I had it by default try to generate solids from the IGES surfaces. It worked for the most part, but since there were some big surfaces missing, a few things here and there are surfaces only. So the assembly winds up being a combo. In any case, it should work fine, but I'd like to make sure.

I'm back on campus tomorrow. Will have to check it out in '05... before I watch USC stomp Texas..

[nivlacoey]

hi Kirk, can I get the solidworks drawing for GT12 from you? My email address is k_dash_2000@yahoo.com

[Kirk Feldkamp]

They are linked to on the second page of this thread by Jersey Tom.

-Kirk

[Broderick]

Does anyone have the turbine and compressor wheels modeled for either the 12 or 15?

Ryan B.

[Jersey Tom]

Doubt you'd be able to scrounge that one, unless you took a turbo apart and scanned it.

Curious.. why do you want it? Anything involving messin with turbo internals seems kinda sketch.

[Broderick]

I just want to make one on the rapid prototyping machine to sit on my desk. I dont plan on messing with the actual design.

Ryan B.

[Jersey Tom]

That'd be tight.

[Kenny T Cornett]

Woo... time to revive a dead thread...


Ok, I got the files but I too am having the nasty missing face. Unfortunately the links to the solidworks files are now dead. Does anyone have a good set of GT12 SW files? I'd actually take any file format that isn't the original IGES or STP with the missing faces.

Thanks Kirk for the PM response

[pengulns2001]

I lost my hard drive with these files so i dont have a copy anymore but its pretty easy to fill in the missing face

[Kenny T Cornett]

Yeah, This morning I went and pulled it into Alias StudioTools and corrected the error of the faces then exported back out. No harm done there, I'm good to go. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[amcc]

would it be possible for someone to repost the cad files for the GT12 and GT15V?

[James Waltman]

The files are on the same server as the rest of the Shared CAD Library (http://fsae.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/125607348/m/99010410831).
The server is down right now. As soon as it's back up I'll post in the other thread.

Edit/Update: The files have been all been moved here:
http://www.wwufsae.com/Shared_FSAE_CAD_Library/Engine/Turbo/

[Dan G]

I'm working on having all of the support files including these models uploaded to Honeywell's external website. Hopefully I'll have all of the Garrett FSAE pages updated soon.

[Kirk Feldkamp]

Aaaahahaha. I saw it was your name on the website the other day. Did Cam finally find a way to pawn it off on you? All those files that were posted by James (and I assembled) should be chillin somewhere in the FSAE folder there at Honeywell.

-Kirk

[Biggy72]

I just tore apart our new gt12 to clock it and realized that there's a locating pin on the turbine side. Does the exhaust side need to be oriented a certain way or?? I talked to another guy that's done lots of turbos and he didn't say anything about a locating pin.

[Dan G]

Yep, I have all the files on hand, its just a slow process to change anything on the external website. Hopefully I can sort it out before the end of the year.

[amcc]

im a bit confused. are they online or are we waiting still? does anyone know if the compressor housing is differant on the GT15V to the GT12?

[Dan G]

They're up on some volunteered webspace courtesy of James Waltman. The link was in an earlier post from this thread...

http://fsae.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/125607348/m/70610838...10120921#89010120921 (http://fsae.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/125607348/m/70610838821?r=89010120921#89010120921)

I'm working on putting them on the official Garrett FSAE page so they're easier to find.

EDIT: it looks like James' site is temporarily down. I'll post the files up to my personal site tomorrow and add that link here.