Engine for Indian and other Eastern Teams

[JD232]

We have located an engine dealer who is willing to supply engine to all the Indian Teams, and the prices quoted by him are the lowest that I have heard till yet (in Indian Market).

Any of the teams that require an engine (with all the requisite systems) please drop me an email at

arpit.envint@gmail.com

For the teams in Singapore-Thailand-Malaysia region and also China and Hongkong can also contact us for the same.

Any other standard FSAE part/component can also be discussed.

Regards
Arpit gupta

[JD232]

We have located an engine dealer who is willing to supply engine to all the Indian Teams, and the prices quoted by him are the lowest that I have heard till yet (in Indian Market).

Any of the teams that require an engine (with all the requisite systems) please drop me an email at

arpit.envint@gmail.com

For the teams in Singapore-Thailand-Malaysia region and also China and Hongkong can also contact us for the same.

Any other standard FSAE part/component can also be discussed.

Regards
Arpit gupta

[vandit]

Dude . Just to share our experience in Buying second hand engine. Please dont believe anyone in South East Asia region( Like the ones you mentioned) Especially in INDONESIA....

We had real tough time and we lost some money only to find out there was never such person existed and neither his address.

SO please be very very cautious and thorough in your dealings .

[Gaanja]

Yes i second shanky. Its better to get the engine from the US or Europe as they are more reliable. I would also advice getting an inspection agency to inspect and certify the particular engine you decide to buy if it is second hand

[vreihen]

If obtaining an engine is such a problem in your part of the world, perhaps the organizers of your region's FSAE event should negotiate with some vendors to provide spec engines for your competitions??? I'm not pushing sealed engines like in traditional spec classes, just raw engine assemblies that you can use as a base for your powerplant builds.....

[Nishant Jain]

I don't think our "region" even has an FSAE event this year. Most of the Indian teams will be going to Europe or Australia for their competitions.

But if FSAE organizers could make such an arrangement for teams in this part of the world, it would be absolutely brilliant.

The reliability factor, over-inflated prices and long shipping times are major problems which make engine development and modification a very difficult task for most FSAE teams.

I'm sure all other Indian teams would second this view!

[Macros]

Do LML India have an engine suitable? I know they make four stroke motorbikes.

[drywater]

I completely agree with Nishant on that.
No macros LML doesn't have a suitable engine.
To share with you , last year IIT Delhi were tricked by there dealer,and he engine number was missing on there HONDA engine,which caused a lot of problems to them during shipping there car to fs UK. I guess FSUK ,GER or FSAEA should take some initiative ,like the Minibaja organizers which i guess help in providing the engine,

[Zac]

Scooters and motorcycles are popular enough in India that there has to be some sort of a motor that you can source locally. What about using a Royal Enfield motor? or even adapting the motor out of a small generator? Heck you could probably even find a small briggs(grab one of those minibaja motors). a maximum of 610cc's and 4 strokes leaves you a lot of room to find something that runs.

yeah, the power to weight ratio wouldn't be as great as a sport bike motor but I think being able to find parts locally and not having to worry about getting ripped off by some shady reseller more than trumps that.

from what I've seen, many teams forget that before you can win anything, you need a finished car that runs and can get through tech inspection.

[Nishant Jain]

Those can't be serious suggestions!

1. Scooters in India are usually 2-stroke.

2. Bikes in India do not go above 180cc.

3. Mini-baja motor for FSAE? It's tough to be competitive as it is with the lack of machining and modification facilities in India (locating even a dyno is torture!), and then you'd want us to try with engines which give 15-20 hp? The Enfield weighs 80+ kgs from what I've heard, giving about 20 hp!

Personally, I would rather struggle on with handling the situation as bad as it is, than ever think about options like those.

[Conor]

Beggers can't be choosers...

[PatClarke]

Guys, go back and read this thread!
Pat

http://fsae.com/eve/forums/a/t...607348/m/33410950341 (http://fsae.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/125607348/m/33410950341)

[JD232]

There is only a couple of options to go for in India..

Like Pat said in the post a Royal Enfield 500 (cost Rs30,000 ($650) in excellent condition) engine should be a good choice, I happen to disagree because of weight reasons but we will leave it at that.

According to me, the Honda400 cc variant is a very simple engine to operate, to some extent simpler than Royal Enfield, with lesser weight and more power... one and it has high popularity in nearby countries. A second hand 400cc honda you can get for Rs50,000 ($1000) in excellent running condition. I will get it for you if you want, and it is a good option for new teams and teams short on budget.

The other option is shelling out Rs120,000 to Rs 200,000 ($2.5k-4k) for the second hand honda cbrs and suzukis and yamahas. These engines are extremely complex and it can be a headache for a new team to understand the basics for the first time. But ultimately even if you avoid it for first couple of years of ur FSAE u will ultimately have to go for these engines to succeed...

[JD232]

I agree with Nishant about the trouble of acquiring an engine. We have had two blown engines (one suzuki GSX and one Honda CBR f3i) this year in our first year entry and were severely damaged in terms of time... from a well run project it went to a total disaster... It took one month to get a new engine (which blew up the morning of the day car was supposed to ship)... which basically meant we ended up right at the bottom at our first attempt...

But then everybody has had similar experiences in FSAE I am sure...

[Zac]

Those are serious suggestions.

I know you guys are concerned about mass because after all F=ma. But does vehicle mass really matter when the car doesn't run or won't pass tech inspection?

Those used sport bike motors you guys are finding have probably been thrashed pretty well before you even set eyes on them, parts can't possibly be easy to come by, and then there's the matter of finding a suitable EFI system. They're basically ticking bombs just waiting to go off and ruin your year. If there's something you can source locally go for it.

Being slow is way better than not running at all.

[Nishant Jain]

@Pat: Thanks for reminding me of that link.

The most important point in that being RMIT's resolve to do things their way, I think we should all remember that success is relative. And the point I think is to make a good, satisfying job out of the whole thing.

@Conor: Right. Thanks.

@Zac: You're right about the need for survival before optimization. Most of us get so few chances to do this kind of project, and it's such a huge amount of work everyday considering some of the problems that have to be faced (I'm sure you've read a million times about that), that it gets difficult to accept that we should just try to make a car that can clear tech spec. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Even if that is the practical thing to do!

@Silverback & Drywater: I've spoken to the RMIT guys before. Their formula works consistently because they always aim to keep the car at a very low weight. It was 155kgs this year I believe. But never mind that.

I think it's our responsibility to be very careful about what products we do purchase. Maybe the 450cc Honda is a good option and maybe the 500cc Enfield is. The ultimate goal is always I think to finish Endurance. Only when a team can properly do that, can it hope to ever rank somewhere. You guys have more experience in the matter though, so you probably already know this! http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Anyway, we'll make the best of what's there. Idle talk maketh no car. And I am grappling presently with intake manifolds in my head!