Formula Student 2012

[SoonerJack]

We are within one week of the Silverstone competition.

A lot of exciting cars will come to the Home of British Motorsport.

Here an overview:

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/formulastudent/


What are your thoughts?
Will Delft whoop the competition? Will Stuttgart take the next title? Is Munich able to complete the Stuttgart-Munich-Stuttgart-Munich game? Is Monash in for a Aussie win? What about Bath and Hertfordshire?

I'm really excited to see the cars performing!

Cheers

[mech5496]

Great questions....not sure about the answers though! I will be there with a couple of friends, this year as visitors (actually my very first competition as a visitor for the past 6 years) It would be nice to have some spare time to walk around cars as well as talking with some of you!

[Yannick]

I also hope to see a nice competition. Furthermore I am wondering how the electric teams (like ours) will stand compared to the combustion teams. I imagine design judging will be very difficult!

Hope to see a lot of interesting concepts!

See you in Silverstone,
Yannick

[BeunMan]

On paper it looks like a nice design competition. On paper it also looks like the petrol cars are going to be in the plus for reliability but lack the over-the-top speed of the electrics for dynamic events.

I realy hope there will be a livestream on sunday (and fsuk radio or something).

If I get back from a waterpolo tournament this weekend in one piece i'll try to make an aggregation page from all the twitters/facebook/etc feeds from the teams.

[mech5496]

Tristan I think that Silverstone radio broadcasts on both Saturday and Sunday but not sure... Being the first competition with merged electric and combustion classes will most probably make judges' life hard. On dynamic events I would place my money on electrics though; besides reliability (which top teams should be OK with), the "good" electric cars seem faster, at least on paper.

[Fantomas]

They are far from being the first competition with merged electric and combustion classes. FS Austria did this already in 2010 after the first Formula Student Electric event in Germany.

Fantomas

[JulianH]

Fantomas, it is true, that Austria had a combined scoring since 2010, but there was still a electric and combustion scoring in the end.

Silverstone will be the first event with no "combustion winner" and "electric winner". And compared to 30-40 cars in Austria, it will be completely different with 110 (running) cars in Silverstone.

I think it will be pretty close between the classic combustions (Stuttgart, Munich, Graz), the winged guys (Bath, Monash, Erlangen) and the electric cars (Delft, Zurich).

[Fantomas]

I disagree.
There was only one overall scoring at FSA2010 and FSA2011. Both classes were competing for the same points and were able to "steal" points from each other. There may have been an award for the best electric and best combustion car, but nevertheless there could have been an electric FSA champion.

The FSUK2012 EventHandbook also lists awards like "Most Efficient Internal Combustion Engine Car" and "Most Efficient Car". One could argue that this also separates classes like different awards for best electric/alternative drivetrain and best IC car.

I agree that the competition will be different due to more running cars (but we will never see 110 cars running).

I think the Top4 teams (assuming that all of these teams compete in all dynamic events) will be Delft, Zuerich, Stuttgart and Munich.

Fantomas

[JulianH]

Well, it doesn't really matter, if Silverstone is the real first event with merged classes or not.

Fact is, that Austria had two overall winners, Silverstone won't. The special award for the most fuel efficient combustion car is nice but still you will not take home more than say 70-80 points there.


Of course, 110 cars running is not realistic. I guess we will see 60-70 cars running in the british liquid sun...


I think it will be nice to see the different concepts competing against each other with their different strengths and weaknesses. It will hurt the teams in the world ranking but that really doesn't matter...

[Thrainer]

Originally posted by Fantomas:
I think the Top4 teams (assuming that all of these teams compete in all dynamic events) will be Delft, Zuerich, Stuttgart and Munich.

Let's not forget Monash and other teams which have taken their car to an earlier competition, e.g. OBR.

Can anybody help me getting from Luton to Silverstone on Wednesday after 7PM? Then please write me at "h-trainer at gmx dot ch" or send a personal message here.

I will be tweeting from the event as much as wifi allows. What are you interested in? Weight of the cars? Size and depth of the puddles on the campground?

Regards
Thomas

[Michael Royce]

Just a short note to let you know that, if things go as planned, we will have a book available at Silverstone later this week entitled “Learn and Compete, A Primer for Formula SAE, Formula Student and Formula Hybrid Teams”. It is being published by Soheila and William Kimberley of Race Car Graphics (RaceTech Magazine). The book has 26 chapters with contributions by 14 friends that Suzanne and I believe to be among the most knowledgeable on the many aspects of Formula. The topics covered are just about everything from “The Basics” by David Gould to “The Design Event” by Pat Clarke. Other contributors who are often on this Forum are Doug Milliken and Edward Kasprzak of Milliken Research. While the book was targeted at newer teams, we believe there is also a significant amount of material that would make it a beneficial acquisition for the more established teams. Dan Jones, the Formula Student representative on the Rules Committee, who co-authored the chapter on “The Frame, SEF and SES” with me, has read the whole book and has commented that “I only wish it had been available when I competed.”

There is a full page ad for the book in the programme.

See you at Silverstone on Thursday morning.

[Owen Thomas]

For anyone wondering (like I was), looks to be available here: http://www.racetechmag.com/store/product.php?id=244

At less than $50 shipped to North America...
https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSVvynhDbWvFh7X_nDPv0_wH1ObFb_tf RJP9AHvtqUrAS5QCqsHbg

[MH]

Will we see an acceleration time below 3 sec for the first time?? Doesn't seem impossible http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

regards,
Miki Hegedus
Delft University of Technology
2001-2008

[Thrainer]

Maybe if they make it 75 yards again. Below 4s on a wet track will be impressive, too.

I'm curious about the new track section they are using this year. Practise area seems to have potential.

[JulianH]

Acceleration below 3s is (hopefully) impossible, even for the Delft car.

I think a 3,4 or a 3,5 should be in the range of the car if the conditions are good, but everything else won't be possible.

0 to 100 below 3s yes, but not more.

[Michael Royce]

Owen, Thanks for the picture! $50? It is $30 (US), 20 pounds or 25 Euros, plus P & P. We will be seeing the Kimberleys (the publishers) on Thursday, and will see if we can either get a good idea of the normal P & P to North America or see if we can set up some sort of system for the US and Canadian teams to cut down the P & P costs. By the way, all the authors/contributors are doing this pro bono, so the price is basically to cover the publishing and printing costs.

[Fantomas]

You could also think about releasing it as an eBook or PDF, so that it is accessible in countries which are not properly covered by the planned ways of traditional distribution.
India for example comes to my mind.

Fantomas

[Michael Royce]

Fantomas,
Yes, why not. Suzanne has talked about an e-book version. We see no real reason why not once the Kimberleys have covered their publishing costs.

[Fantomas]

Michael,
I did not mean that you should give away the digital version for free. There are ways of selling and protecting digital content.
However, it would of course be very nice, if it becomes accessible for free once the publishing costs are covered. Though I still prefer reading a book instead of reading on an eBook reader or on screen. At least the smell of fresh printed paper is missing.

It would be great, if you could sell the printed version via Amazon.

Fantomas

[Michael Royce]

We will see what we can do. One of the objectives was to make it as readily available to as many students as possible.

The past 6 months has been rather hectic as Suzanne and I only got the real go-ahead from Soheila and William Kimberley at the IMIS Safety & Technical Conference last December. All the contributing authors have really done an outstanding job. A couple who initially agreed to help out with chapters had to pass due to their own workload and the very short timeframe.

[Dunk Mckay]

Does that mean a sequel is in the cards? Or an updated version in a year or so, with additional chapters from addition authors?

[Michael Royce]

Dunk,
We shall just have to see how well this book goes. If it goes well, we would consider a second edition, but not for 2-3 years. If it does not go well it would not be work the effort.

It all depends.

[mech5496]

Any twitter lists available? I won't be there until Friday noon and updates would be useful...

[BeunMan]

Just finished building a twitter/facebook feeder.

The twitter unit is functioning properly (get all new messages) but the facebook is still a bit crappy. Facebook doesn't like being searched for stuff and aggregated somewhere else http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

It is a TEST, it is UGLY AS HELL, and will sometimes fail.

Click here to test! (http://80.112.145.70/fs/fsuk.html)
please don't kill my poor little server/connection (100mbit http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Simon Dingle]

Tristan,

Great idea! I'll definately ben trying that out!

Here's a list for 30 of this year's teams. These are the only ones I could find in the 15mins to puts something together, so I'm certainly missing some. Let me know if anyone finds a better one.

https://twitter.com/#!/SFDingle/fsuk-2012

[EDIT: actually putting the link in]

[TMichaels]

AMZ Racing has a twitter list which contains a lot of teams:

https://twitter.com/#!/amzracing/fsae

[BeunMan]

UPDATE: Twitter list now working properly with AMZ's list included and plain search/hash search for specific keywords.

'Time ago' on the FB pages won't update (the pages do) but that's just an annoyance http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

[Simon Dingle]

I've editted the original post to have the link. Tbh though, AMZ's list is much better, even if it is a general FSAE list rather than compettition specific.

[DMuusers]

I don't think we'll see a lot of fast times because Silverstone isn't letting us down with typical weather:

http://uk.weather.com/weather/...Silverstone-UKXX1916 (http://uk.weather.com/weather/10day-Silverstone-UKXX1916)

[Simon Dingle]

Yeah it's going to be another wet one. Also, the weather has been really changeable over the last week, we could see some more upset teams due to bad weather during their endurance.

[mech5496]

Tristan and Simon thanks a lot, that makes it much easier to be updated! See you at Silverstone!

[BeunMan]

Unfortunately not ... You'll see me at FSG http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif exactly the reason why I made the webpage (the other reason not being familiar with json, mostly working on embedded systems and bus architectures).

small update: it now works, i'll keep this version alive (and work on development on another). If nobody uses it: no problem, it's a learning project. FSUK thingy (http://80.112.145.70/fs/fsuk.html)

[Mustafa]

Stellar job Tristan!

Would it work for FSG also?

[BeunMan]

Originally posted by Mustafa:
Stellar job Tristan!

Would it work for FSG also?

By changing the search terms and links: yes.

[TMichaels]

I am missing pictures. Come on guys, there are only a few posted on facebook so far.

[Thrainer]

During the day, the wifi is terribly busy and I havent had much time to wander through the pits, because I was judging Design. I would recommend the AMZ FSAE list on twitter, I'm also in there (@webetho). Looking forward to dynamics and Design finals tomorrow.

Regards
Thomas

[BeunMan]

50 pics at FSTotal facebook (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150950674168445.428129.158738688444&type=3)
50 Pics at DUT (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150910636816104.407869.339234411103&type=3)
Some images from the Belgians (https://twitter.com/#!/FormulaGroupT/media/slideshow?url=pic.twitter.com%2FwWElYsvu&utm_source=fb&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=FormulaGroupT&utm_content=223823867058192386)
Some pics from IMechE here, not all (https://www.facebook.com/formulastudent?sk=photos)
A sh*t load from TU Fast (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.360388264032376.82612.119098491494689&type=3)

And many more but it's time to go to sleep...

[Howy76]

The Formula Student website will have unofficial times from today's events at http://www.formulastudent.com/teams/fs2012/lap-times

Times won't include penalties!

Howard

[Osth]

Excellent link!

[Fantomas]

@Howard
Nice link, thanks.

I suppose the times are not directly taken from the timekeeping system, but transferred by hand, since the times which the teams are tweeting do slightly differ from the times posted on the link and the times are also tweeted a little bit earlier by the teams than they show up on the page. The delay seems to be in the range of several minutes.

Fantomas

[Howy76]

Yes, there will be delays posting as its manually done and the 2 events aren't close together and it's only me updating at the moment! Also, any times starting .0 are rounded, there's a software glitch. As I said though, times are unofficial :-)
Official times will be posted later.

Howard

[Fantomas]

That must be exhausting! Keep up the good work!

Fantomas

[Mustafa]

Pics from today, Racecar Engineering (http://www.racecar-engineering.com/news/formula-student-saturday-gallery/)

[TMichaels]

Current Top5 according to the available information (including Cost, SkidPad and Acceleration)

ETH Zürich 194,43
Chalmers 190,30
Eindhoven 185,74
Tallinn 172,46
Delft 167,87

It is way too silent in this thread!

[JasperC]

Oxford Brookes claim skid pad victory on their Facebook page but the formulastudent.com lap times page says Monash went quicker.

I wonder who's wrong... Or perhaps Monash took a cone on their quickest lap.

[TMichaels]

Oxford Brookes just posted a picture that looks like it was taken from an official results print out. Monash is second there. Maybe a mix-up and Monash ran 5,983 instead of 5,893?

[Osth]

Agree that this thread is too silent. Nice of you to summarize the score, thrilled to Chalmers at second place... fist time "we" nailed the statics I think.

[TMichaels]

Live Comment from Autocross at http://tunein.com/tuner/?StationId=137373&#

[JasperC]

Tobias, you said on Twitter that Lessius Mechelen lost their rear wheels at autocross, do you know what happened?

Cheers,
Jasper

[TMichaels]

One of the team members said that they are using bought uprights from an US company and they were warned that they may not last and they just broke off. They also said that other teams are using them as well, but some changed from the aluminum version to the steel version.

[TMichaels]

@Howard:
The internet timing is currently not updating. Are you able to fix it?

[TMichaels]

Based on the currently available results (Acc, Skid, AutoX, Business, Cost and Design, assuming that every Design Finalists scores 150pts) the Top5 are as follows:

Chalmers 534,52
ETH Zürich 521,43
Delft 502,58
Monash 502,15
Tallinn 499,97

[JasperC]

Formula Student twitter has the design top 3:
1. Delft
2. Hertfordshire
3. Monash

I wonder where Chalmers, Zürich and Talinn are. The overall scores are going to be mighty tight going into the final day!

[DMuusers]

Originally posted by JasperC:
Formula Student twitter has the design top 3:
1. Delft
2. Hertfordshire
3. Monash

I wonder where Chalmers, Zürich and Talinn are. The overall scores are going to be mighty tight going into the final day!

Zurich is 4th according to their twitter. But who knows, in england they don't maintain a fixed distance in points like in germany. So it could only mean a point (in theory).

[Mustafa]

I wonder where Chalmers Zurich and Talinn are.

Just spoke to Chalmers, they are 5th. Amberg-weiden 7th. Which means Talinn is 6th.

[Osth]

Endurance order posted, top teams starting last:

54 1 University of Stuttgart
55 4 Chalmers University of Technology
56 92 Oxford Brookes University
57 33 ETH Zurich
58 2 TU Munich

Anyone that could give an educated guess on when the top teams will be running? Will be going abroad tomorrow but might manage go get Wifi for my wife's Iphone so I can listen to the radio http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Edit: Seems a little odd given that the forecast from the Met office says light showers around 4 pm, but perhaps all 58 cars will have had time to run well before then...

[TMichaels]

Updated Top10, after them is a bigger gap (design points are an educated guess based on the available information):

Chalmers 510,05
ETH Zürich 506,46
Monash 490,24
Delft 489,19
Oxford Brookes 477,92
Tallinn 465,35
Bath 463,29
Hertfordshire 462,51
Stuttgart 441,64
TU Munich 440,93

[Michael Royce]

We managed it! The book, "Learn & Compete", is available at Formula Student (Silverstone) from Race Car Graphics/RaceTech Magazine, who are now located in Event Control.

[Michael Royce]

The Endurance Run Order is now posted on the IMechE web site. 58 teams are listed. Slowest from the Sprint Event to fastest. First team out is Cambridge.

We still have teams trying to get through Scrutineering, and we will do our best to get them through. But based on the statement that was posted with the run order of "This is based on the result from the sprint event. If you did not finish Sprint then we hope that there will be an opportunity to run at the end of the day weather and time permitting", they may or may not get to run. There is a curfew at Silverstone.

[BeunMan]

While this thread is somewhat silent, Silverstone radio, the twitters and facebook are not.

Tim, nice of you to calculate the highly-'preliminary'-educated-guess score totals! Some guys at Delft are going to be at our pc's the entire day again to check the progress of all cars, just like today. (Probably due to the fact that most of us have either financial or time problems which prevent us from being at fsuk unfortunately)

I must say, there is no clear advantage: Wings work but without are faster on AutoX. Accel is won by electrics but wings outperform on Skidpad. It's quite close, max 35pt spread in top 5 into the endurance. Who will win it? Wings if the track is high speed cornering, electrics with slow corners, conventional petrols with high top speeds? And what about fuel/power savings?

[Howy76]

Good morning everyone, we're about to start the endurance event. Unofficial lap times will be posted again on the FS website http://www.formulastudent.com/teams/fs2012/lap-times

Howard

[Mustafa]

Design Final results (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=418639458175342&set=a.182218548484102.36672.181315511907739&type=3&theater)

From the Chalmers facebook.

[TMichaels]

I have added the final design results:

Chalmers 523,05
ETH Zürich 516,46
Monash 498,24
Delft 489,19
Oxford Brookes 477,92
Tallinn 477,35
Bath 463,29
Hertfordshire 466,51
Stuttgart 441,64
TU Munich 440,93

[BeunMan]

Well, endurance is over. It's goint to be down to fuel to see who wins.

[TMichaels]

I am not quite sure, to be honest. Chalmers should have made it, if they did not screw up big time in fuel.

[BeunMan]

I did some quick calculations on fuel, and with the 13,16kg of co2 as Vmax, they can probably use about 3-4 liters of petrol and still get quite some points (40-60 from max). It does depend on the Vmin, which is probably going to be less than 4.8KW*0.65=3,12Kg as the Delft car has only that much energy on board (without regenerative braking, which reduces the amount even further).

So Chalmers should win.

[Mustafa]

Just got news from Chalmers

Chalmers has used 4.58l of fuel
so 4.58×2.3=10.5kg
gives them 25.30
and Monash with consumption of 3.5l
means 50 points

What was monash and chalmers endurance times?

I think it will be very close.

[DMuusers]

Originally posted by TMichaels:
I have added the final design results:

Chalmers 523,05
ETH Zürich 516,46
Monash 498,24
Delft 489,19
Oxford Brookes 477,92
Tallinn 477,35
Bath 463,29
Hertfordshire 466,51
Stuttgart 441,64
TU Munich 440,93

Endurance and fuel scores are in. Looks like Chalmers won the competition.

Chalmers: 523.05+325.01 = 848.06
Delft: 489.19+351.24 = 840.43
Monash: 498.24+333.65 = 831.89
Munchen: 440.93+347.91 = 788.84
Stuttgart: 441.64+335.08 = 776.72

[Mustafa]

Chalmers 523.05 + 325.01 = 848.06
Monash 498.24 + 333.65 = 831.89

EDIT:Sorry for jumping the gun

[TMichaels]

My calculations say the same:

Chalmers 848,06
Delft 840,43
Monash 831,89
TU Munich 788,84
Stuttgart 776,72
Tallinn 752,83

[Osth]

Awards ceremony should have started by now, anyone know anything official?

[DMuusers]

Originally posted by Osth:
Awards ceremony should have started by now, anyone know anything official?

It's being tweeted right now.

http://80.112.145.70/fs/fsuk.html

[Osth]

OMG http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
According to Stuttgart's twitter:
Glückwünsche an Chamers 1., Delft 2., Monash 3., München 4.

Thx for the link!

[DMuusers]

Congratulations to Chalmers. Fantastic result on a very close competition!

[ben]

Congrats to all. I had the pleasure of judging Chalmers on Friday. The level of race engineering knowledge they'd gathered from a considerable testing programme was impressive.

The moral of this story is (as usual) finish early and test. Oh a beautifully designed and manufactured car helps too.

Good use of tyre data and great focus in the design event on gathering a total number of points and how to design the vehicle to achieve that goal. Well done Geoff Pearson ;-)

Ben

[Markus]

Congrats on Chalmers, Delft, Monash! Great job. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[JonMW]

Congrats Chalmers!!

Eller; Grattis Glen!! http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[TMichaels]

It seems like the cost results were slightly corrected so that in the end Delft was only 2 pts. behind Chalmers.

[Christian Amersbach]

Congrats to Chalmers Delft and Monash!!!!
it was really close in the end....

looking forward to see all of you at FSG

[mech5496]

A great competition whtasoever! I haven't been at Silverstone since 2008 and I was impressed by the progress; i really liked the new endurance track, the addition of the testtrack should be a vast improvement for teams and commentary was really helpful, although a bit hard to hear at times. What I would like to have is a monitor with times at all events, it was a bit hard following the commentary at all times...
Onto cars, I was really impressed by that Norwegian 1st year team and the quality of their car; simply stunning and one of the best sounding cars ever. I was also impressed by Maribor; their car was heaps better than their previous one, both in terms of speed and build quality and IMHO they deserved better, bravo guys! Swansea university was also impressive, with a very unusual car. Delft and ETH cars were astoningshly fast, especially the way they accelerated... I expected more from electric teams but they still seem to struggle with reliability issues. Of course congratulations to all teams!

[inamo]

Well done everyone, some great cars this year. Here are some of my photos from Autocross day. More to follow from Endurance http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://helenjackson.smugmug.co...2012/24205850_9VQL62 (http://helenjackson.smugmug.com/Sports/Motor-Sport/FS-Autocross-2012/24205850_9VQL62)

[Z]

Errr.....

So what happened to all the UK cars (centre of the motorsport universe http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)???

Z

[inamo]

Oxford Brookes finished P7, Hertfordshire would have been top 5, but blew their engine on the last lap of Enduro, the two Liverpool teams are steadily improving and finished in the top 20. I think the rest had an assortment of tales of woe.... More test time needed is the general prescription :-)

[Big Bird]

Congrats to all concerned, and especially to Monash. It is a big turnaround from FSUK 04. Well done, and well deserved, ladies and gents. Beers are a necessity on your return...

And cheers for the kind words Ben. It seems I do quite a bit better in the Design Event when I am not there. I'm sure there are plenty of RMIT team members who would agree with that.

All the best,

[RollingCamel]

What about the Egyptian teams especially Cairo University? Didn't get in contact with them from quite a while.

[Fantomas]

According to the results, they did not run in any dynamic event. Maybe they did not manage to pass Scrutineering?

"Chalmers University wins world’s largest student motorsport competition"

Headline of a press release from today of IMechE. I congratulate the winners, but I find it quite pathetic that FSUK started claiming to be the largest student motorsport competition in the world. With respect to cars actually attending the event, FSAE_MI2012 had more, 105, and FSG2011 was on par, 103.
With respect to cars that manage to take part in a dynamic event they, 67 cars, are far behind FSAE-MI2012, 94 cars, and FSG2011, 82.

So this seems to be a quantity vs. quality thing...

Fantomas

[RollingCamel]

Originally posted by Fantomas:
According to the results, they did not run in any dynamic event. Maybe they did not manage to pass Scrutineering?

I saw the results not competing in the dynamic was expected, but I wanted to know how they did technically in design and general impression. At least they painted the chassis... http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[inamo]

I suspect that Cairo didn't make it through scrutineering, the car when we saw it in design was some way from being finished. The team had fairly good understanding, but sometimes that was lost in traslation to a real car. It was a good effort in light of the recent troubles and resource shortages in their home country.

Here are some pics of the winning car in action:
http://helenjackson.smugmug.co...6985&AlbumKey=WGHVr9 (http://helenjackson.smugmug.com/photos/swfpopup.mg?AlbumID=24216985&AlbumKey=WGHVr9)

[Michael Royce]

Rolling Camel,
Helman made it into Scrutineering late (Saturday I think) but did not pass. I do not know the details, as someone else was inspecting the car. Cairo did not make it into Scrutineering as far as I know.

I did spend some time talking with some people from Egypt, including one of your top rally drivers, who are interested in organizing an event in your country sometime in the future. And I will be sending them some information after I get home.

[RollingCamel]

Originally posted by Michael Royce:
Rolling Camel,
Helman made it into Scrutineering late (Saturday I think) but did not pass. I do not know the details, as someone else was inspecting the car. Cairo did not make it into Scrutineering as far as I know.

I did spend some time talking with some people from Egypt, including one of your top rally drivers, who are interested in organizing an event in your country sometime in the future. And I will be sending them some information after I get home.

I'm also interested at starting an event in Egypt, although some considerations maybe needed to make it more accessible to the Egyptian students. Mini-Baja can be much cheaper and more accessible.

[inamo]

Sad end to Hertfordshire's Enduro
http://helenjackson.smugmug.com/Sports/Formula-Student-2012/Other-Top-10-Teams-Endurance/i-pv8T2gB/0/M/MG0983-M.jpg

[Karmann_Ghia]

Oxford Brookes finished P7, Hertfordshire would have been top 5, but blew their engine on the last lap of Enduro, the two Liverpool teams are steadily improving and finished in the top 20. I think the rest had an assortment of tales of woe.... More test time needed is the general prescription :-)

Hey where is the love for Team Bath Racing.

Fastest of the UK teams Won Cost High in Design.

Brake light failure in endurance due to a re-used switch from the previous year. Must be gutted

Currently P4 in Austria competing against the top cars at this years Formula Student plus GFR winners of FS UK last year.

Every year they post the fastest times from a UK team in endurance.

Oh and they design a new car from scratch with a new team every year. Quite the learning exercise.

Its odd how people seem to forget to mention them.

[BeunMan]

I know how it feels to lose your race on something small like a switch or (in my case) relay...

Bath went quite fast @FSA!
Too bad they couldn't finish FSUK.

[inamo]

Sorry guys, here's a picture of the Bath car in action, quick driver for sure! Wondered why it didn't reappear after the driver change, guess I know why now.
http://helenjackson.smugmug.com/Sports/Formula-Student-2012/Other-Top-10-Teams-Endurance/i-bghhP8g/0/M/MG0870-M.jpg

[Fantomas]

Video from Amberg-Weiden:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQGAx5xYRBI

Fast forward to 0:30s, if you want to see a really embarassing situation.

Fantomas

[DMuusers]

Originally posted by Fantomas:
Video from Amberg-Weiden:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQGAx5xYRBI

Fast forward to 0:30s, if you want to see a really embarassing situation.

Fantomas

What was that car doing there? I already heard the story, but seriously, how is this possible?

[mech5496]

It takes only some smoke, some flags and a brainless car driver who thinks that stopping in the middle of the course is just fine...