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noel
07-11-2011, 07:51 PM
How about fitting a 1300 cc Suzuki Hayabusa engine into an FSAE racer?

With the proper slight modifications -- maybe slightly bigger wheels -- and the proper gearing -- maybe this will be the first 200 mph FSAE racer.

Call it "Super FSAE". 200 mph racing for a price not much more than a regular FSAE.

Now that's real excitement!

noel
07-11-2011, 07:51 PM
How about fitting a 1300 cc Suzuki Hayabusa engine into an FSAE racer?

With the proper slight modifications -- maybe slightly bigger wheels -- and the proper gearing -- maybe this will be the first 200 mph FSAE racer.

Call it "Super FSAE". 200 mph racing for a price not much more than a regular FSAE.

Now that's real excitement!

Sormaz
07-11-2011, 08:10 PM
200mph+FSAE wheelbase is a bad combo

Zac
07-11-2011, 08:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sormaz:
200mph+FSAE wheelbase is a bad combo </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

200mph+FSAE alignments is a bad combo

this could probably go on for a while.

Ben K
07-11-2011, 08:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zac:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sormaz:
200mph+FSAE wheelbase is a bad combo </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

200mph+FSAE alignments is a bad combo

this could probably go on for a while. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Formula 1000 is very similar to this in that you have 1000cc unrestricted engine in a steel frame car. 190 hp in 1000 lb car....heh

noel
07-11-2011, 08:43 PM
The Hayabusa bike weighs about 480 lb -- even slightly more than an FSAE racer.

Yet such a stock Hayabusa (except for the turbo) hit 251.148 mph on Aug 1, 2004 at Goliad, Texas ridden by 60-year-old racer Scott Guthrie.

This still remains the fastest street-legal bike speed record up to today.

If a stock Hayabusa engine and gearbox were fitted into an FSAE racer, most likely the total weight would just be around 500 lb or so.

With the right wheels, suspension mods, and gearing, 200 mph is realistic for a Hayabusa-engined FSAE racer.

200 mph racing for not much more than the cost of a regular FSAE racer.

MegaDeath
07-11-2011, 09:56 PM
You should probably make the car remote controlled while you're at it. I don't know of anyone who would be stupid enough to take a STUDENT DESIGNED RACE CAR to 200mph.

noel
07-11-2011, 11:28 PM
I was just intrigued that the stock Hayabusa bike, with its short wheelbase and so-so aerodynamics, was stable at 251.148 mph (in a straight line).

So the 4-wheel FSAE, with a similar wheelbase, could be even more stable than a bike at that speed.

Of course, in the turns, the FSAE would be limited by its 1.6 g cornering force (which is quite respectable). http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Spetsnazos
07-12-2011, 12:12 AM
Just think about it, we will buy a Nissan Skyline, then we will transform it into an Evo, and after we're done we will add some slicks to it.

Perfect FSAE vehicle!!!!

Whis
07-12-2011, 12:56 AM
Bike: 2 wheels.
Car: 4 wheels.

You don't seem to be getting this but bikes and cars are not the same thing. It would be scary. A FSAE car at 120, much less 200, would be unstable. Not to mention that the aero in the head on direction would be scary. As soon as you put that thing sideways (WHICH WOULD HAPPEN) the aero becomes something I don't want to think about.

Do you know how much lift a FSAE tire makes at 200mph?

(Edited for spelling and clarity)

woodsy96
07-12-2011, 02:45 AM
Thats ok, once the turbo spools up the twichyness will evaporate.

Mbirt
07-12-2011, 10:24 AM
It'll be both infinitely stable AND responsive if has a 0.6m front track, a 1.7m rear track, and no front or rear wings.

http://www.racingnation.com/images/column_photos/100210DeltaWingCar.jpg

wagemd
07-12-2011, 11:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">200 mph racing for not much more than the cost of a regular FSAE racer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't think you figured hospital or morgue costs into that equation...

Marlin
07-12-2011, 07:27 PM
I know of two Jedi Mk4s with Hayabusa power in the PA and OH area. They a mid 80s" wheelbase and weigh about 700lb. One will run hillclimbs the other auto-x. Sounds like fun!

noel
07-13-2011, 12:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by noel:
I was just intrigued that the stock Hayabusa bike, with its short wheelbase and so-so aerodynamics, was stable at 251.148 mph (in a straight line).

So the 4-wheel FSAE, with a similar wheelbase, could be even more stable than a bike at that speed.

Of course, in the turns, the FSAE would be limited by its 1.6 g cornering force (which is quite respectable). http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Isn't it basic that a 4-wheel vehicle is much more stable at high speed than a 2-wheeler. And a FSAE car is much lower to the ground than a Hayabusa bike. These two factors should give the FSAE a large stability advantage over a Busa bike at high speed.

Possible sources of FSAE high speed instability could be:

1. Chassis is not straight and true.
2. Wheels not properly aligned.
3. Suspension too hard, making the FSAE fly when hitting bumps.
4. Wind buffetting the driver at high speed.
5. Brakes not balanced.

After correcting 1, 2, and 5 above, no. 3 can possibly be corrected by using longer wheel travel, softer springs, and thicker anti-roll bars.

No. 4 can be corrected by making the side of the FSAE body as high as the driver's shoulder. At the steering wheel area, the car body should be at least as high as the driver's mouth, sloping downward toward the front. These should protect the driver from wind buffetting at high speed.

Barky
07-13-2011, 05:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wagemd:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">200 mph racing for not much more than the cost of a regular FSAE racer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't think you figured hospital or morgue costs into that equation... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

pfft. clearly you've forgotten about the impact attenuator.

Simon Dingle
07-13-2011, 06:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Possible sources of FSAE high speed instability could be:

1. Chassis is not straight and true.
2. Wheels not properly aligned.
3. Suspension too hard, making the FSAE fly when hitting bumps.
4. Wind buffetting the driver at high speed.
5. Brakes not balanced. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

6. ~1.6m wheelbase.
7. Steering geometry designed for ~5m radius corner.
8. Aero lift.

It's almost as though, if you want to go 200mph, a car that's designed to average ~40mph for 30mins isn't a good place to start...

RANeff
07-13-2011, 11:41 AM
Really?

Nicky
07-13-2011, 02:03 PM
I would recommend a parachute and an active aero to save your skin. Doubt the braking on FSAE would help serve your need in slowing down from 200mph. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

While you're at it, I suggest air-bags and ejector seats. And life insurance too!!

Didn't mean to ridicule you, but I strongly suggest you rethink the idea of hitting 200mph. I don't see why using the haya should be a problem. What would be a problem is the 200mph you want to touch.

JDS
07-13-2011, 05:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by noel:

Isn't it basic that a 4-wheel vehicle is much more stable at high speed than a 2-wheeler. And a FSAE car is much lower to the ground than a Hayabusa bike. These two factors should give the FSAE a large stability advantage over a Busa bike at high speed.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, no, it is precisely because the 2-wheeler has 2 wheels that makes it inherently more stable. Once you introduce another set of wheels side by side you are introducing instability. Now unless you have a perfect alignment, a perfectly smooth and level surface every little bump, crack, unevenness in the ground will make the vehicle not want to travel in a straight line, ie. instability. Motorcycles get more stable the faster you travel as it requires a larger force to make the vehicle alter it's straight path (eliminating wind, and assuming everything is symmetric(driver included) aerodynamically speaking). I would also like to add that I am proud I was able to make use of the seldom used and often considered improper double parenthesis in the previous sentence.

Dash
07-13-2011, 07:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JDS:

I would also like to add that I am proud I was able to make use of the seldom used and often considered improper double parenthesis in the previous sentence. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1

I've driven our 2010 car at approximately ~80-85 mph in a straight line, and it wasn't that scary. The other formula car we raced against seemed to be EXTREMELY twitchy the first couple times down the strip though.

noel
07-13-2011, 08:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JDS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by noel:

Isn't it basic that a 4-wheel vehicle is much more stable at high speed than a 2-wheeler. And a FSAE car is much lower to the ground than a Hayabusa bike. These two factors should give the FSAE a large stability advantage over a Busa bike at high speed.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, no, it is precisely because the 2-wheeler has 2 wheels that makes it inherently more stable. Once you introduce another set of wheels side by side you are introducing instability. Now unless you have a perfect alignment, a perfectly smooth and level surface every little bump, crack, unevenness in the ground will make the vehicle not want to travel in a straight line, ie. instability. Motorcycles get more stable the faster you travel as it requires a larger force to make the vehicle alter it's straight path (eliminating wind, and assuming everything is symmetric(driver included) aerodynamically speaking). I would also like to add that I am proud I was able to make use of the seldom used and often considered improper double parenthesis in the previous sentence. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks, JDS, for the only enlightening post on why it's not a good idea to go for 200 mph on a FSAE.

Chris B
07-15-2011, 07:55 AM
allow me to demonstrate what happens at 200+ mph if you have dodgey aero

first up, is what happens if you hit undulation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...GHhk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsjApAZGHhk&feature=related)

it would be badass and its a cool idea however for the amount of risk, expenditure and effort that you would need todeal with you'd be better off just trying to get in an F3 car or something similar.

2BWise
07-15-2011, 08:55 AM
I drove an fsae car up to about 115 on a drag strip and the front got very light. Unless you've got an aero car I would expect the limiting factor to be stability purely based on drag. If you truly want a Busa powered formula car go buy an 80's F2000 or Super Vee and put a Busa in the back. It's already designed for big speed, stable, and you can run it in the SCCA. Plus, it would cost you about the same.

Scott Wordley
07-16-2011, 12:14 AM
To answer the original question, myself and another couple of ex-FSAE guys are building something like this. It will run in Formula Libre class of hillclimbing we have over here.

You dont want to use the Busa engines though, the 1000cc engines have received all the development work in recent years, are much smaller and lighter than the Busa. The late model GSX1000 engine we got cost $5000, makes 186 horse, and is not much bigger or heavier than the 600s FSAE run. We also got a dash, ecu and free calipers (6 pot monoblock R1s for fronts, 4 pot R6s at the rear).

Then you bolt on a turbo kit for another $4000, which should take it to 290-350ish Hp (with a good intercooler).

see: w w w .turbo-kits.com/gsxr-1000_turbo_kits.html

Thats around 3 hp per kilo of engine and gearbox. Not to mention only $30 per hp. If you trash it you drop another one in. Total car weight should be around 300kg.

Bolt on some monumentally huge wings and diffusers and you should be good for +3g cornering, at least that's the plan.

A recent pic of it here... building suspension at the moment

w w w .flickr.com/photos/64553398@N02/5942393552/in/photostream#/photos/64553398@N02/5942393552/in/photostream/lightbox/

Trying to convince Geoff Pearson to move his Escort in and project manage us... we are too old and lazy to get it finished.

If you did want to go 200MPH (and we have thought about that too) it wouldn't be too hard to build a streamliner belly tank to take the same powertain and go and demolish some small capacity land speed records....

One of these days!

Diablo_niterider
07-16-2011, 08:36 AM
@ Scott Wordley -

How much does the GSX 1000 engine unit weigh?
i was looking to use one for a Pet project,as of now planning to use the R1 engine as they have quite a few after market plug-on dry sump kits available. are you using dry sump for your build?

nice workshop by the way!! http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Ninjaneer
07-16-2011, 06:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by noel:
The Hayabusa bike weighs about 480 lb -- even slightly more than an FSAE racer.

Yet such a stock Hayabusa (except for the turbo) hit 251.148 mph on Aug 1, 2004 at Goliad, Texas ridden by 60-year-old racer Scott Guthrie.

This still remains the fastest street-legal bike speed record up to today.

If a stock Hayabusa engine and gearbox were fitted into an FSAE racer, most likely the total weight would just be around 500 lb or so.

With the right wheels, suspension mods, and gearing, 200 mph is realistic for a Hayabusa-engined FSAE racer.

200 mph racing for not much more than the cost of a regular FSAE racer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

On What planet did a "stock" Busa' do even 200mph?!! First, a hayabusa WILL NOT do 200mph (even with out a speed limiter). Second, THEY HAVE A SPEED LIMITER!!
The only bikes on the market that does not cut off at 186mph (avail. in the CONUS) are the Ducati Superbikes. They circumvented this federal req. by making the speedo stop counting at 186 (Although if you turn on the "lap timer" the secondary display will display speeds in excess of 186)
The only years that the Hayabusa was the fastest production bike were 1999 an 2000. They had a speed limiter of 209 back then, but still did not have the power (stock) to break the 200mph mark.
They lie somewhere in the 180-190 HP range, The new BMW 1000RR is a 200HP motorcycle and lighter (by far) than the suzuki, it still will not reach 200 even without the speed-limiter removed.
Keep in mind that every one "knows someone" who went 200mph on their 600cc CBR. BS. Indicated speed is not the same as actual speed.......not even close.

noel
07-16-2011, 07:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ninjaneer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by noel:
The Hayabusa bike weighs about 480 lb -- even slightly more than an FSAE racer.

Yet such a stock Hayabusa (except for the turbo) hit 251.148 mph on Aug 1, 2004 at Goliad, Texas ridden by 60-year-old racer Scott Guthrie.

This still remains the fastest street-legal bike speed record up to today.

If a stock Hayabusa engine and gearbox were fitted into an FSAE racer, most likely the total weight would just be around 500 lb or so.

With the right wheels, suspension mods, and gearing, 200 mph is realistic for a Hayabusa-engined FSAE racer.

200 mph racing for not much more than the cost of a regular FSAE racer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

On What planet did a "stock" Busa' do even 200mph?!! First, a hayabusa WILL NOT do 200mph (even with out a speed limiter). Second, THEY HAVE A SPEED LIMITER!!
The only bikes on the market that does not cut off at 186mph (avail. in the CONUS) are the Ducati Superbikes. They circumvented this federal req. by making the speedo stop counting at 186 (Although if you turn on the "lap timer" the secondary display will display speeds in excess of 186)
The only years that the Hayabusa was the fastest production bike were 1999 an 2000. They had a speed limiter of 209 back then, but still did not have the power (stock) to break the 200mph mark.
They lie somewhere in the 180-190 HP range, The new BMW 1000RR is a 200HP motorcycle and lighter (by far) than the suzuki, it still will not reach 200 even without the speed-limiter removed.
Keep in mind that every one "knows someone" who went 200mph on their 600cc CBR. BS. Indicated speed is not the same as actual speed.......not even close. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Scott Guthrie, at age 59 3/4 an aging racer for sure, slammed Rich Yancy's street legal Suzuki Hayabusa hard through the 250 MPH barrier, to a final official record speed of 251.148 MPH. *That's the fastest speed ever recorded for a street bike, and the fastest record in history for what land speed racers call an "open wheel bike," and the track record.

Guthrie's big speed came on his final run Sunday 1 AUG 04 at the TEXAS MILE top speed race ( www.texasmile.com (http://www.texasmile.com) * ) near Goliad, TX. *The 251.148 MPH ternimal speed was after a standing-start mile run to the timing trap. *Guthrie said " With the wind coming up, and the day getting warmer, I knew that run was going to be the only chance in my life to break the 250 MPH barrier. The run before was a 248 MPH time, so I knew the bike was ready. *I just had to put down the best pass of my life to get the record."

Rich Yancy, an engine man for Dale Earnhardt Inc, trucked his daily ride bike from his home in Charlotte NC to Texas for just this meet, at Guthrie's insistance. *"This is the best paved Land Speed Racing track available in the USA, and I knew *we had to go there to have any real chance for this record. *My agreement to ride for Rich was up Sunday evening, so This was it." *Guthrie allowed later. "I knew the bike was capabale of that speed, I just had to be the one to ride it."

Before Guthrie took over the fast seat, builder Yancy himself made a track-record run of 244.358 MPH. *"It is so confidence inspiring that Rich is willing to build and tune the bike, prepare it and deliver it to the track by himself. *And then he sets the track record himself, and hands me the keys! *I just KNEW the bike was safe, fast, and would run straight." Guthrie glowed, "How many tuners will do that for their riders? *Rich is a quiet genius with the bike, and one of the world's best land speed racers, in his own right."

Yancy's bike is almost standard in appearance, with stock appearing bodywork and tank, stock forks, stock wheelbase, and full street equipment. *The big difference is the addition of a MR TURBO turbo kit, which has been extensively modified by Yancy, including a VERY trick Yancy designed -and-built intercooler. *No skinny thing, the bike weighs in at full standard curb weight.

"This bike is so docile off the throttle, you get no idea about the power on tap. *Rich told me he was going to ride it to work when he got home, and show it off to his friends at the job." *Guthrie said. In addition to building the record setting Hayabusa, Yancy had a hand in building the engine for this years' winner of the NASCAR Daytona 500.

Terry Kiser, builder of the MR TURBO kit was on hand to watch Guthrie's record breaking 251 MPH blast. *Kiser remarked: "Guthrie's run was by no means easy. *From 500 yards away, I saw the wind catch him twice. He's lucky he stayed on!" *Kiser then took the bars himself, and posted a 239.304 MPH personal best.

VFR750R
07-17-2011, 09:55 AM
noel, where did you get that article on Rich Yancey's bike. I work with him and would like to share it with him in case he hasn't seen it.

Thanks

noel
07-17-2011, 04:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VFR750R:
noel, where did you get that article on Rich Yancey's bike. I work with him and would like to share it with him in case he hasn't seen it.

Thanks </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

VFR750R,

Here's the link

http://www.hayabusa.org/forum/...est-streetbikep.html (http://www.hayabusa.org/forum/top-speed/13478-guthrie-251-148-mph-world-s-fastest-streetbikep.html)

Zac
07-17-2011, 04:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by noel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ninjaneer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by noel:
The Hayabusa bike weighs about 480 lb -- even slightly more than an FSAE racer.

Yet such a stock Hayabusa (except for the turbo) hit 251.148 mph on Aug 1, 2004 at Goliad, Texas ridden by 60-year-old racer Scott Guthrie.

This still remains the fastest street-legal bike speed record up to today.

If a stock Hayabusa engine and gearbox were fitted into an FSAE racer, most likely the total weight would just be around 500 lb or so.

With the right wheels, suspension mods, and gearing, 200 mph is realistic for a Hayabusa-engined FSAE racer.

200 mph racing for not much more than the cost of a regular FSAE racer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

On What planet did a "stock" Busa' do even 200mph?!! First, a hayabusa WILL NOT do 200mph (even with out a speed limiter). Second, THEY HAVE A SPEED LIMITER!!
The only bikes on the market that does not cut off at 186mph (avail. in the CONUS) are the Ducati Superbikes. They circumvented this federal req. by making the speedo stop counting at 186 (Although if you turn on the "lap timer" the secondary display will display speeds in excess of 186)
The only years that the Hayabusa was the fastest production bike were 1999 an 2000. They had a speed limiter of 209 back then, but still did not have the power (stock) to break the 200mph mark.
They lie somewhere in the 180-190 HP range, The new BMW 1000RR is a 200HP motorcycle and lighter (by far) than the suzuki, it still will not reach 200 even without the speed-limiter removed.
Keep in mind that every one "knows someone" who went 200mph on their 600cc CBR. BS. Indicated speed is not the same as actual speed.......not even close. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Scott Guthrie, at age 59 3/4 an aging racer for sure, slammed Rich Yancy's street legal Suzuki Hayabusa hard through the 250 MPH barrier, to a final official record speed of 251.148 MPH. *That's the fastest speed ever recorded for a street bike, and the fastest record in history for what land speed racers call an "open wheel bike," and the track record.

Guthrie's big speed came on his final run Sunday 1 AUG 04 at the TEXAS MILE top speed race ( www.texasmile.com (http://www.texasmile.com) * ) near Goliad, TX. *The 251.148 MPH ternimal speed was after a standing-start mile run to the timing trap. *Guthrie said " With the wind coming up, and the day getting warmer, I knew that run was going to be the only chance in my life to break the 250 MPH barrier. The run before was a 248 MPH time, so I knew the bike was ready. *I just had to put down the best pass of my life to get the record."

Rich Yancy, an engine man for Dale Earnhardt Inc, trucked his daily ride bike from his home in Charlotte NC to Texas for just this meet, at Guthrie's insistance. *"This is the best paved Land Speed Racing track available in the USA, and I knew *we had to go there to have any real chance for this record. *My agreement to ride for Rich was up Sunday evening, so This was it." *Guthrie allowed later. "I knew the bike was capabale of that speed, I just had to be the one to ride it."

Before Guthrie took over the fast seat, builder Yancy himself made a track-record run of 244.358 MPH. *"It is so confidence inspiring that Rich is willing to build and tune the bike, prepare it and deliver it to the track by himself. *And then he sets the track record himself, and hands me the keys! *I just KNEW the bike was safe, fast, and would run straight." Guthrie glowed, "How many tuners will do that for their riders? *Rich is a quiet genius with the bike, and one of the world's best land speed racers, in his own right."

Yancy's bike is almost standard in appearance, with stock appearing bodywork and tank, stock forks, stock wheelbase, and full street equipment. *The big difference is the addition of a MR TURBO turbo kit, which has been extensively modified by Yancy, including a VERY trick Yancy designed -and-built intercooler. *No skinny thing, the bike weighs in at full standard curb weight.

"This bike is so docile off the throttle, you get no idea about the power on tap. *Rich told me he was going to ride it to work when he got home, and show it off to his friends at the job." *Guthrie said. In addition to building the record setting Hayabusa, Yancy had a hand in building the engine for this years' winner of the NASCAR Daytona 500.

Terry Kiser, builder of the MR TURBO kit was on hand to watch Guthrie's record breaking 251 MPH blast. *Kiser remarked: "Guthrie's run was by no means easy. *From 500 yards away, I saw the wind catch him twice. He's lucky he stayed on!" *Kiser then took the bars himself, and posted a 239.304 MPH personal best. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That sounds like not a stock bike at all.

noel
07-17-2011, 04:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zac:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by noel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ninjaneer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by noel:
The Hayabusa bike weighs about 480 lb -- even slightly more than an FSAE racer.

Yet such a stock Hayabusa (except for the turbo) hit 251.148 mph on Aug 1, 2004 at Goliad, Texas ridden by 60-year-old racer Scott Guthrie.

This still remains the fastest street-legal bike speed record up to today.

If a stock Hayabusa engine and gearbox were fitted into an FSAE racer, most likely the total weight would just be around 500 lb or so.

With the right wheels, suspension mods, and gearing, 200 mph is realistic for a Hayabusa-engined FSAE racer.

200 mph racing for not much more than the cost of a regular FSAE racer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

On What planet did a "stock" Busa' do even 200mph?!! First, a hayabusa WILL NOT do 200mph (even with out a speed limiter). Second, THEY HAVE A SPEED LIMITER!!
The only bikes on the market that does not cut off at 186mph (avail. in the CONUS) are the Ducati Superbikes. They circumvented this federal req. by making the speedo stop counting at 186 (Although if you turn on the "lap timer" the secondary display will display speeds in excess of 186)
The only years that the Hayabusa was the fastest production bike were 1999 an 2000. They had a speed limiter of 209 back then, but still did not have the power (stock) to break the 200mph mark.
They lie somewhere in the 180-190 HP range, The new BMW 1000RR is a 200HP motorcycle and lighter (by far) than the suzuki, it still will not reach 200 even without the speed-limiter removed.
Keep in mind that every one "knows someone" who went 200mph on their 600cc CBR. BS. Indicated speed is not the same as actual speed.......not even close. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Scott Guthrie, at age 59 3/4 an aging racer for sure, slammed Rich Yancy's street legal Suzuki Hayabusa hard through the 250 MPH barrier, to a final official record speed of 251.148 MPH. *That's the fastest speed ever recorded for a street bike, and the fastest record in history for what land speed racers call an "open wheel bike," and the track record.

Guthrie's big speed came on his final run Sunday 1 AUG 04 at the TEXAS MILE top speed race ( www.texasmile.com (http://www.texasmile.com) * ) near Goliad, TX. *The 251.148 MPH ternimal speed was after a standing-start mile run to the timing trap. *Guthrie said " With the wind coming up, and the day getting warmer, I knew that run was going to be the only chance in my life to break the 250 MPH barrier. The run before was a 248 MPH time, so I knew the bike was ready. *I just had to put down the best pass of my life to get the record."

Rich Yancy, an engine man for Dale Earnhardt Inc, trucked his daily ride bike from his home in Charlotte NC to Texas for just this meet, at Guthrie's insistance. *"This is the best paved Land Speed Racing track available in the USA, and I knew *we had to go there to have any real chance for this record. *My agreement to ride for Rich was up Sunday evening, so This was it." *Guthrie allowed later. "I knew the bike was capabale of that speed, I just had to be the one to ride it."

Before Guthrie took over the fast seat, builder Yancy himself made a track-record run of 244.358 MPH. *"It is so confidence inspiring that Rich is willing to build and tune the bike, prepare it and deliver it to the track by himself. *And then he sets the track record himself, and hands me the keys! *I just KNEW the bike was safe, fast, and would run straight." Guthrie glowed, "How many tuners will do that for their riders? *Rich is a quiet genius with the bike, and one of the world's best land speed racers, in his own right."

Yancy's bike is almost standard in appearance, with stock appearing bodywork and tank, stock forks, stock wheelbase, and full street equipment. *The big difference is the addition of a MR TURBO turbo kit, which has been extensively modified by Yancy, including a VERY trick Yancy designed -and-built intercooler. *No skinny thing, the bike weighs in at full standard curb weight.

"This bike is so docile off the throttle, you get no idea about the power on tap. *Rich told me he was going to ride it to work when he got home, and show it off to his friends at the job." *Guthrie said. In addition to building the record setting Hayabusa, Yancy had a hand in building the engine for this years' winner of the NASCAR Daytona 500.

Terry Kiser, builder of the MR TURBO kit was on hand to watch Guthrie's record breaking 251 MPH blast. *Kiser remarked: "Guthrie's run was by no means easy. *From 500 yards away, I saw the wind catch him twice. He's lucky he stayed on!" *Kiser then took the bars himself, and posted a 239.304 MPH personal best. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That sounds like not a stock bike at all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Zac, as I mentioned in my post above, everything in that Busa was stock except for the turbo. The article didn't mention if the owner lowered the gear ratios. But the bike was street legal, and the owner rode it to work everyday.

Scott Wordley
07-17-2011, 06:57 PM
@Diablo

What do you want the dry sump for? If it is to prevent oil starvation of the engine in a car application it is much easier and cheaper to run a decent oil accumulator. Its like a capacitor for your oiling system and will provide a few seconds of oil feed if your pick-up starves, allowing time for the engine to pick up more and increasing the amount of oil available for pick-up.

We found they really helped level out oil pressure in FSAE applications, its great insurance for your engine.

See: w w w.accusump.com/

whiltebeitel
07-17-2011, 07:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by noel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zac:
That sounds like not a stock bike at all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Zac, as I mentioned in my post above, everything in that Busa was stock except for the turbo. The article didn't mention if the owner lowered the gear ratios. But the bike was street legal, and the owner rode it to work everyday. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

2 minutes on google. Noel, you assume too much.

http://www.motorcycle.com/manu...fast-busa-16429.html (http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/suzuki/one-fast-busa-16429.html)

Rich Yancy is a lead machinist for Dale Jr.'s NASCAR team for starters, He's rebuilt the engine twice over the bike's first 5 years. Oversized JE pistons, at 10:1 CR, Carrillo Rods, Ferrea valves (exhaust is 2mm bigger), and a ported head. Never mind the custom icebox/intercooler. Or the fact that he's had it tuned men who owe their livelihood and reputation on their abilities.

noel
07-17-2011, 07:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by whiltebeitel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by noel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zac:
That sounds like not a stock bike at all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Zac, as I mentioned in my post above, everything in that Busa was stock except for the turbo. The article didn't mention if the owner lowered the gear ratios. But the bike was street legal, and the owner rode it to work everyday. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

2 minutes on google. Noel, you assume too much.

http://www.motorcycle.com/manu...fast-busa-16429.html (http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/suzuki/one-fast-busa-16429.html)

Rich Yancy is a lead machinist for Dale Jr.'s NASCAR team for starters, He's rebuilt the engine twice over the bike's first 5 years. Oversized JE pistons, at 10:1 CR, Carrillo Rods, Ferrea valves (exhaust is 2mm bigger), and a ported head. Never mind the custom icebox/intercooler. Or the fact that he's had it tuned men who owe their livelihood and reputation on their abilities. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the info, whiltebeitel :-)

Diablo_niterider
07-19-2011, 01:40 AM
@ Scott Wordley -

yes of course, we had used accusump in 2008 and 09, it works great.

Got enough technical reasons to use dry sump but more than that want to play around a little with it http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif (since cost is not the issue http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif, for once) .

I guess it will be better if I PM you. dnt mean to hijack this thread.

Scott Wordley
07-19-2011, 02:08 AM
I built a dry sump system back in 2001 and it is not something that I would ever do again for the fun of it!

Diablo_niterider
07-20-2011, 09:44 AM
@ Scott Wordley -

I guess I am as enthusiastic as you must have been pre 2001. Its seems worth the experience since it seems a simple system yet everyone's been having problems with it.

My team just got parts fabricated for Dry sump system for FSAE, will hopefully be testing soon. can't wait.