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Joe_Little
06-07-2010, 10:13 AM
Hey Guys,

I am the Mississippi State Chassis/CAE Leader and I have about a year exp, a couple training seminars, and some "funded" experience using ADAMS, just thought I'd pass along some help. This tutorial is specifically for modeling suspension, hopefully I will find the time to complete a Full Car Simulation tutorial in the near future. The beginning of the tutorial briefly discusses how to get the program, free of charge, for your university and where to go to get instruction on how to get the FSAE example database up and running.

If you haven't heard of ADAMS (or you've just heard it bashed for its "friendliness"), ADAMS is the leading Multi-Body Dynamics simulation program in the world. ADAMS/Car is a template based variation of the basic interface, and is used by Ford, GM, Nissan, Michelin (the ones I've met in person) and many professional motorsports teams and simulation consultants. I would go so far as to say I believe every major car manufacturer is the world uses the program.

Since it's a dynamics engine "reverse-engineered" to be a automotive product, it isn't as easy to learn as a canned suspension program designed specifically for the task, but the program is capable of much, much, more. Co-simulation with MATLAB, flexible body importing from ABAQUS, NASTRAN, or ANSYS to analyze dynamic compliance and stress, and support for a variety of tire model including PAC 2002 provided by the tire test consortium are a just few on the long list of features.

ADAMS should not be your primary design if you have low-to-moderate design experience and need a suspension design in a few months. However, you should be able to get through this tutorial in a short amount of time, and in the long term ADAMS can have tremendous benefits (for your team and career).

For example, you could:

Simulate you car running the 2010 Michigan Autocross event, use Smart Driver to calculate the optimal driver inputs, with a flexible chassis generated by your FEA program, with aerodynamic drag acting on the car as specified by a user defined set of curves. You could then have ADAMS use this simulation for an optimization study, which could vary spring rates, damper curves, suspension geometries, CG location, tire type, engine output, etc. [there is virtually no aspect of the car that can't be parameterized in ADAMS]

Hopefully you’re interested, so without further adieu...

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/267247...0Tutorial%20v1.1.pdf (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2672479/FSAE%20Tutorial%20v1.1.pdf)

This is a “beta” version of the tutorial, please let me know if there are any issues or if any of the steps need to be clarified. I will also try to answer basic questions, but, as I mention in the tutorial, much more qualified help is available through the MSC University forums.

P.S. If anyone uses WinGeo is have written some code that reads these files and outputs ADAMS formatted hard-point data . It's still a copy and paste affair at the moment, but still much quicker than spending 20 mins copying points. Let me know if you’re interested.

Joe_Little
06-07-2010, 10:13 AM
Hey Guys,

I am the Mississippi State Chassis/CAE Leader and I have about a year exp, a couple training seminars, and some "funded" experience using ADAMS, just thought I'd pass along some help. This tutorial is specifically for modeling suspension, hopefully I will find the time to complete a Full Car Simulation tutorial in the near future. The beginning of the tutorial briefly discusses how to get the program, free of charge, for your university and where to go to get instruction on how to get the FSAE example database up and running.

If you haven't heard of ADAMS (or you've just heard it bashed for its "friendliness"), ADAMS is the leading Multi-Body Dynamics simulation program in the world. ADAMS/Car is a template based variation of the basic interface, and is used by Ford, GM, Nissan, Michelin (the ones I've met in person) and many professional motorsports teams and simulation consultants. I would go so far as to say I believe every major car manufacturer is the world uses the program.

Since it's a dynamics engine "reverse-engineered" to be a automotive product, it isn't as easy to learn as a canned suspension program designed specifically for the task, but the program is capable of much, much, more. Co-simulation with MATLAB, flexible body importing from ABAQUS, NASTRAN, or ANSYS to analyze dynamic compliance and stress, and support for a variety of tire model including PAC 2002 provided by the tire test consortium are a just few on the long list of features.

ADAMS should not be your primary design if you have low-to-moderate design experience and need a suspension design in a few months. However, you should be able to get through this tutorial in a short amount of time, and in the long term ADAMS can have tremendous benefits (for your team and career).

For example, you could:

Simulate you car running the 2010 Michigan Autocross event, use Smart Driver to calculate the optimal driver inputs, with a flexible chassis generated by your FEA program, with aerodynamic drag acting on the car as specified by a user defined set of curves. You could then have ADAMS use this simulation for an optimization study, which could vary spring rates, damper curves, suspension geometries, CG location, tire type, engine output, etc. [there is virtually no aspect of the car that can't be parameterized in ADAMS]

Hopefully you’re interested, so without further adieu...

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/267247...0Tutorial%20v1.1.pdf (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2672479/FSAE%20Tutorial%20v1.1.pdf)

This is a “beta” version of the tutorial, please let me know if there are any issues or if any of the steps need to be clarified. I will also try to answer basic questions, but, as I mention in the tutorial, much more qualified help is available through the MSC University forums.

P.S. If anyone uses WinGeo is have written some code that reads these files and outputs ADAMS formatted hard-point data . It's still a copy and paste affair at the moment, but still much quicker than spending 20 mins copying points. Let me know if you’re interested.

Holeshot
06-11-2010, 12:29 PM
Im unable to access the tutorial that you posted...

Joe_Little
06-11-2010, 12:37 PM
weird.. if you pm me your email address i will sent it to you

Anvit Garg
06-11-2010, 03:21 PM
Thank you for your tutorial.

You mentioned that you have code that makes WinGeo outputs easier to use?

Can you please send the program code to me?

agarg@mail.uh.edu

Joe_Little
09-03-2010, 07:56 PM
got a message saying the old link doesn't work, try this one

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/267247...0Tutorial%20v1.1.pdf (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2672479/FSAE%20Tutorial%20v1.1.pdf)

or feel free to pm me

T. Neff
10-14-2010, 01:35 PM
Joseph,

I'm liking the tutorial. I played around with Adams for a long time and this would have helped!

I'll be watching for your next installment.

umyoun99
01-01-2011, 08:18 PM
Is there a second installment to this tutorial?

Thanks
Steven Young
University of Manitoba

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Tiago_Campagnolo
01-04-2011, 08:09 AM
Hey guys.

I would like to know if someone can send me the template of the FSAE car to my email. I can't download the template from the site of MSC. My email is tiaguinho07@gmail.com

Thanks

fabien
03-02-2011, 02:20 AM
Hey

I would like to know if someone can send me the template of the FSAE car to my email. My email is fabien.chenin@gmail.com

Thanks guys

Dash
03-02-2011, 08:10 AM
Joe_Little has gotten a job with MSC, and is no longer participating in our team at MSU. I'm not sure if he checks the forums anymore.

fabien
03-02-2011, 10:37 AM
Ok, thanks Dash.

Have you got the template of the FSAE car? Or do you konow where I can find it?

Dash
03-02-2011, 11:45 AM
I do not, I'll shoot him an email about looking on here and maybe he will grace you with his presence.

Joe_Little
03-04-2011, 12:13 AM
Ask and you shall recieve! Believe it our not, I actually reply to people on these forums quite often by email...

I've already shot this guy a couple emails, but for anyone else interested, here is the word on the templates:

Instead of sending them out, I'm suggesting people register on mscsoftware.com, then access the actuall article were the templates can be downloaded from.

SimCompanion FSAE Template Article
http://simcompanion.mscsoftwar...content&id=KB8019488 (http://simcompanion.mscsoftware.com/infocenter/index?page=content&id=KB8019488)

On this right side of this page you will notice a seach box (search FSAE for several pages of related articles) and a link to the VPD forums, among others, that will give you access to the same content people paying $$$$$$ have access to. Trust me, solving any issue have with doing this (for a free software/software resource website, the biggest issue should be filling out some forms) will be MUCH better off in the long run. Note only will you get the templates, which can be just about enough of a premodeled car to hang yourself with, you will get some insight on how to use it.

Also, in early April, there will be a SImAcademy FSAE live webinar, hosted by yours truly, where I will discuss in detail how to access these materials, use them to help analyise and improve you car, and introduce some new material. Hope to see you guys there.

Joe

Ofir Hajaj
04-28-2011, 02:12 PM
hey guys,\

can someone send me the FSAE database to my e-mail:
o.hajaj1@gmail.com

Thanks http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif