What is the status of your vehicle?

[exFSAE]

Originally posted by TMichaels:
@moose: Looks good, best of luck with that baby!

The Cockpit of the LR08:
http://www.lionsracing.de/images/stories/bildergalerie/saison_2008_lr08_montage_cockpit_002_1_20080411_17 46983014.jpg

Regards,

Tobi

You guys screwed that all up. Rock n Roll should be a knob, that goes up to 11.

[TMichaels]

You guys screwed that all up. Rock n Roll should be a knob, that goes up to 11.
Sorry, I do not understand what you are talking about..what should this knob do? If its for the revs, than 11 is not enough...

Regards,

Tobi

[Teemu Ristelä]

Tobi,

Actually a bit off topic, but are you still using the continental abs system? I remember you talking about it to me at FSG last year... propably in the sauna...

[rjwoods77]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_to_eleven

This should be required reading. TAP FOR LIFE!!!!

[TMichaels]

@Teemu:
Yes we will use it again as we were very satisfied with it. I wrote an article about our experiences with it for the german magazine ATZ/MTZ. If you are interested in it, I may scan it for you as they also published an english version.

@Rob Woods:
Thanks for the hint http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Regards,

Tobi

[John Valerio]

I see your "Rock'n'Roll" and raise you a "Go Baby Go"...from 2005 no less.

http://engsoc.queensu.ca/formulacar/GalleryFiles/2005%2...slides/IMG_3386.html (http://engsoc.queensu.ca/formulacar/GalleryFiles/2005%20Competition/slides/IMG_3386.html)

http://engsoc.queensu.ca/formulacar/GalleryFiles/2005%20Competition/slides/IMG_3386.html

John Valerio
Queen's FSAE
http://engsoc.queensu.ca/formulacar/

[Mikko Ahola]

Some more pics of the new HPF008 @ www.formula.stadia.fi (http://www.formula.stadia.fi)

[J. Vinella]

Nice pit babes. Tell me they are Mechanical Engineering majors? http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Are we going to see some pictures of your under tray?

[TMichaels]

@Mikko:
The car looks really nice! I hope you do not run into problems because of the "no concave sections"-Rule for the steering wheel.

You still owe me an answer for the engine part you were milling on one of your pictures. I think nobody is willing to guess anymore http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Regards,

Tobi

[Biggy72]

When are we going to get to see UW's car? I saw you guys had your unveiling the other day, but no pics yet.

We'll hopefully be up and running by the end of the week.

[Mikko Ahola]

@J. Vinella:

Thanks! There is not much to see under the car... We don´t run any aerodynamic parts anymore if that is what you want to see...

@TMichaels:

Thanks! We have already a "spare" steeringwheel so that is just for show.

And about the milled part. It is used for testing the head. I havent actually used it yet but it will be part of my thesis research.

[TMichaels]

@Mikko:
Thanks for the answer http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif You should consider to change your signature since, as you probably know, there is another team in finland now...

P.S.: You missed an r in the link to your website on your previous post.

Regards,

Tobi

[J. Vinella]

Originally posted by ad:
http://racing.tugraz.at/typo3temp/pics/2008_02_07_ClaudeRouelleSeminarinTallinn23_90d8e63 ba4.jpg

HPF08???
Mikko,

What happened to this?

Derek,

Soon.

[Mikko Ahola]

Originally posted by J. Vinella:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ad:
http://racing.tugraz.at/typo3temp/pics/2008_02_07_ClaudeRouelleSeminarinTallinn23_90d8e63 ba4.jpg

HPF08???
Mikko,

What happened to this?

Derek,

Soon. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

That was just some vision of one of our faculties. We call it Formula Utopia. Guys just thought it would be funny to show it in public. I think we are becoming good in confusing people... http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Space_Toaster]

Exclusive! Leaked pictures of the new Oxford Brookes Formula Student race car, ready for the public soon...
http://www.pcpimages.co.uk/Shooting_6.jpg

[fade]

looks good you should consider having robert patrick drive it. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/070717/cgi/t1000_l.jpg

[Yellow Ranger]

haha, nice

[Jersey Tom]

Helsinki's unveiling COULD have been cooler..

http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~szelag/helsink.jpg

[Kimmo Hirvonen]

Originally posted by Jersey Tom:
Helsinki's unveiling COULD have been cooler..


For what I know, boys tried to get Mr Norris to do some doughnuts to the Science Centre's entrance hall but apparently "Total Gym 3000"-unveiling was the same day.
And if Chuck and Bruce would've been there, it would've been impossible to top that next year.

Some more pics from the launch:
http://hirppa.kuvat.fi/kuvat/FSAE/08_04_11-HPF008_Launch

[James Morris]

Hey Kimmo, you car looks even more amazing than usual, but I think I might have spotted a problem

3.3.7 Front Bodywork
Sharp edges on the forward facing bodywork or other protruding components are
prohibited. All forward facing edges on the bodywork that could impact people,
e.g. the nose, must have forward facing radii of at least 38 mm (1.5 inches). This
minimum radius must extend to at least 45 degrees (45?) relative to the forward
direction, along the top, sides and bottom of all affected edges.

I hope that it's just the photo or paint job making the front nose look sharp, as it would be a shame to have to tape some foam on there come race day.

Hey space toaster, stop teasing us with photoshop and tell us, dose it have "the"� v twin?

James Morris
Swansea Metropolitan University

[Kimmo Hirvonen]

James, I'm not probably the right person to answer this since I'm not in the team anymore. But for what I know, current team has been aware of this rule since the beginning of designing those body panels. Maybe it's just the paint?
Boys, wanna back me up?

[Mikko Ahola]

Originally posted by James Morris:
Hey Kimmo, you car looks even more amazing than usual, but I think I might have spotted a problem

3.3.7 Front Bodywork
Sharp edges on the forward facing bodywork or other protruding components are
prohibited. All forward facing edges on the bodywork that could impact people,
e.g. the nose, must have forward facing radii of at least 38 mm (1.5 inches). This
minimum radius must extend to at least 45 degrees (45?) relative to the forward
direction, along the top, sides and bottom of all affected edges.

I hope that it's just the photo or paint job making the front nose look sharp, as it would be a shame to have to tape some foam on there come race day.

Hey space toaster, stop teasing us with photoshop and tell us, dose it have "the"� v twin?

James Morris
Swansea Metropolitan University

James,

Yes, we are aware of the rule and it should be just fine (havent actually measured the radii on the final panels). The lining of the paintjob does make the nose look a bit sharper than it actually is...

[The AFX Master]

Car # 91 From Universidad Simon Bolivar, Venezuela..

This is from yesterday, first run on a total rain from the first laps, then going to damp and dry near to night.. we almost dried the track.

Bodywork in progress,New air intake in progress too

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk229/theafxmaster/FSAEUSB08_03.jpg

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk229/theafxmaster/FSAEUSB08_02.jpg

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk229/theafxmaster/FSAEUSB08_01.jpg

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk229/theafxmaster/FSAEUSB08_06.jpg


Paint to be applied this week.. so, ugly but rolling!!.

[BrendonD]

Ugly is far less important than rolling. Congrats!

[Miguel Adrian]

true! rolling is far more important... our car is currently getting ready for paintjob but here is an onboard video running at a kart track nearby, enjoy http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVtt72kfXLY

F-SAE USB VENEZUELA FTW!

[B Lewis @ PE Engine Management]

With all that rain, looks like Detroit. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Kota Miyakita]

true! rolling is far more important... our car is currently getting ready for paintjob but here is an onboard video running at a kart track nearby, enjoy

Hey Miguel,

Looks awesome, man.
I wish we had an access to a track like that.
Are you guys gonna compete in West?

Best,

[The AFX Master]

Kota

We aren't going to west mainly because we are from Venezuela and is a true effort (and wallet breaking http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) to bring the car to the U.S.

Altough we can't discard the idea of doing two comps a year, we are thinking about it for a near future.

[Kota Miyakita]

The AFX Master,

I know what you mean man. We take a road trip to California but it takes forever to get out of Texas. I bet its even a longer trip from Venezuela to Brazil.

So, if yall are competing in November in Brazil, man, you guys got alot of testing time. Thats awesome.

Best,

[Biggy72]

anyone else have a goal of a running car tomorrow? Our shop cam's going to be interesting tonight.... as if it hadn't already been for the past couple days.

[flavorPacket]

our status...painted

http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v240/204/61/2257209/n2257209_41988354_3317.jpg

[TMichaels]

Nice one!

Regards,

Tobi

[The AFX Master]

Originally posted by Kota Miyakita:
The AFX Master,

I know what you mean man. We take a road trip to California but it takes forever to get out of Texas. I bet its even a longer trip from Venezuela to Brazil.

So, if yall are competing in November in Brazil, man, you guys got alot of testing time. Thats awesome.

Best,

We are going to MIS next month.. so we have limited testing time as all you (except UWA and Helsinki and others that finish the car early in january)

Brazil is an interesting place to start doing two comps at year. We think that's valuable from the point that freshmen can learn comp basics before Detroit.. is a sort of school near home to learn how to be in a race team.

[Mikko Ahola]

Helsinkis car left to US yesterday. The team will be there at May 7.

[Miguel Adrian]

Well, talking money I think going to Brasil is almost as expensive as going to Germany, so theres a lot of thinking to do if we are going any other place besides MIS to do 2comps a year, but hopefully someday we will


Originally posted by The AFX Master:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kota Miyakita:
The AFX Master,

I know what you mean man. We take a road trip to California but it takes forever to get out of Texas. I bet its even a longer trip from Venezuela to Brazil.

So, if yall are competing in November in Brazil, man, you guys got alot of testing time. Thats awesome.

Best,

We are going to MIS next month.. so we have limited testing time as all you (except UWA and Helsinki and others that finish the car early in january)

Brazil is an interesting place to start doing two comps at year. We think that's valuable from the point that freshmen can learn comp basics before Detroit.. is a sort of school near home to learn how to be in a race team. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Biggy72]

Some how some way we pulled off having a rolling, steering, driving, and stopping car all on the same day. Hopefully Matt will post up some pictures pretty soon, but I'm beat. A pretty sizable group of us went for about 36 hours to get it done, with 4 seniors having to leave for a senior dinner that lasted 3.5 hours in the middle of it. We tuned the car for only ten to fifteen minutes before we took it up for the MME day barbeque and the thing actually runs pretty well. It'll be interesting to see how the turbo does once on a dyno and with some more testing. And the thing weighed in at 478lbs. We will probably end up near 500lbs, but I think the team goal is to be sub 500 once the body's on and everything. I think it's pretty decent considering we weighed 604 at comp last year running N/A.

[jpusb]

Mikko Ahola

In fact we don't really love that track since it is more like a kart circuit and its pretty different from the final autoX tracks you get to run the car in MI.

cheers

[Matt N]

Up and running as of last weekend!

http://photos-h.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v233/135/32/25917047/n25917047_33431751_9097.jpg

Matt

[Biggy72]

http://www.mkosonen.com/fsae2008/images/IMG_4899.jpg

[Michael Palaszynski]

mmmm shiney

What type of rims are those (above car)?

[Biggy72]

They're Bogart wheels. CSUN had them last year at West so they are who we talked to about them.

[MikeDutsa]

Nice car Western Washington! I really dig the new style. I'm guessing its a single? and trick drivetrain stuff?

[kaptain]

Thanks Mike! I'm a huge fan of it too- no more tubes!

[carboneater]

TU Graz is ready to compete in Michigan.

We made some changes on the Tankia 2007 and hope that it won't catch fire like in Fiorano.

See you at MIS!

The new Tankia 2008 will have its roll out on 25th of april. Everybody will be able to join the event via livestream.

http://racing.tugraz.at/fileadmin/galleries/USA_2008/2008_usadesign/T07-USA-Design4.jpg
http://racing.tugraz.at/fileadmin/galleries/USA_2008/2008_usadesign/T07-USA-Design6.jpg

[Mikko Ahola]

Originally posted by The AFX Master:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kota Miyakita:
The AFX Master,

I know what you mean man. We take a road trip to California but it takes forever to get out of Texas. I bet its even a longer trip from Venezuela to Brazil.

So, if yall are competing in November in Brazil, man, you guys got alot of testing time. Thats awesome.

Best,

We are going to MIS next month.. so we have limited testing time as all you (except UWA and Helsinki and others that finish the car early in january)

Brazil is an interesting place to start doing two comps at year. We think that's valuable from the point that freshmen can learn comp basics before Detroit.. is a sort of school near home to learn how to be in a race team. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But we have snow! So we were able to test the car outside just about a week ago... But hey! Why do you need testing if you do everything right and the car will be super fast right from the first move... http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Mikko Ahola]

Originally posted by jpusb:
Mikko Ahola

In fact we don't really love that track since it is more like a kart circuit and its pretty different from the final autoX tracks you get to run the car in MI.

cheers


I think this shouldn´t be quoted to me... Or should it? What track are you talking about?

[Mike Hart]

Nice new decal job carboneater http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Not that the car looked bad before, but that really looks ace.

I thought it was about time I posted up some images of our progress. We're waiting on the arrival of a few more parts/final machining, but the car is getting there! We hope to be testing straight after exams at the beginning of June http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

First time we've bothered to make a wheel :P Designed to accommodate our live telemetry....just the basics, but a nice addition this year.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/ArosMike/UBR11/DSC00534.jpg

The chassis with wishbones, uprights and a few other bits on.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/ArosMike/UBR11/DSC00540.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/ArosMike/UBR11/DSC00542.jpg

[The AFX Master]

Originally posted by Mikko Ahola:
But we have snow! So we were able to test the car outside just about a week ago... But hey! Why do you need testing if you do everything right and the car will be super fast right from the first move... http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Test time is a huge part of all the things needed to succeed at Detroit, at least from driver training point of view. Setup of the car and debugging the electronics are also another priorities for us during test time.

And back in topic..

Awesome car as usual TUGraz http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif!

[R/TErnie]

Mike,
The WWU car is utilizing a Honda F4i engine...not a single.

[Marshall.Hagen]

Western Washington University had its official "Rollout" ceremony Saturday.

http://www.itrspec.com/FSAE/Rollout-010.jpg
http://www.itrspec.com/FSAE/Rollout-018.jpg
http://www.itrspec.com/FSAE/Rollout-035.jpg

[Drew Price]

Wow.

It was worth the wait to see you guys out there again. Pretty stellar proportions on your car.

I will be sure to stop by while visiting my brother's team (Cal Poly SLO) at West.

So... what does she weigh?

Best,
Drew

[duckei]

Wow, can't wait to see your car in person, WWU. And TU Graz, your car looks fantastic as usual.

Regards,

-Ian

[Neil S]

http://fsae.mst.edu/history/189282.jpg

There are more pics in our media gallery.

Missouri S&T's 2008 car, leaving for VIR tomorrow

[Justin_UML]

Here is The University of Massachusetts Lowell (UMass) Car #44 headed to VIR late tonight. We are a rookie team, just trying to pass tech and complete all the events. There are still a few things to get done, but we're pretty happy about how it turned out.

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll165/jpekarek08/UMass%20Lowell%20Formula%20SAE/FSAE4_21_0835.jpg
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll165/jpekarek08/UMass%20Lowell%20Formula%20SAE/FSAE4_21_0840.jpg
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll165/jpekarek08/UMass%20Lowell%20Formula%20SAE/FSAE4_21_0833.jpg

See you in Virginia!

-Justin

[MacGyver27]

Justin,

Out of curiosity, where is your throttle? Also, what is the little tripod looking outcrop off of the side of the frame? Camera mount?

Looks great for a first year team. Don't forget your crushable though. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[The AFX Master]

Agreed...Nice job guys http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif! How much does it weight?

See you on Detroit.

BTW, Look at the ball on the rear bulkhead http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, pretty neat.. We did similar things in the past.. last year's car had a magnetic banana stuck on the drivetrain for the tech inspection. I think that the leaky diff nightmare dissapeared aided by the superstition power http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[BamaJeff]

Alabama is headed to VIR on Tuesday.

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9241/dsc03893oi9.jpg

[ad]

Justin,

Great effort to get the car running!

Love the baseball at the rear. True Spirit :P

Jeff,

Also a nice effort from Alabama, looks very tidy.

[TMichaels]

We had our Roll-Out yesterday:

http://www.lionsracing.de/images/stories/bildergalerie/originals/derlr08_9_20080420_1167244079.jpg

http://www.lionsracing.de/images/stories/bildergalerie/originals/saison_2008_lr08_rollout-news_001_1_20080420_1137740474.jpg

http://www.lionsracing.de/images/stories/bildergalerie/originals/saison_2008_lr08_rollout-news_004_4_20080420_1048621048.jpg


More pictures are here until the gallery is online: http://www.lionsracing.de/content/view/506/1/lang,de/

Regards,

Tobi

[VFR750R]

suspension be damned, deep dish wheels are sweet. i think more teams should run them.

Oh and is that an accusump mounted outside the 'rollcage'? It might not be illegal, but i don't think the tech inspectors will like that.

good luck to everyone going to VIR

[Ian M]

Dang, there are going to be some good looking cars at comp. this year!!! Some of these bodies are sick, and I agree with VFR750R, those deep dish wheels are bad to the bone!!!

[J. Vinella]

UW Formula Motorsport Team 19
http://students.washington.edu/jvinella/CarSmall1.jpg

http://students.washington.edu/jvinella/TeamSmall.jpg

[t21jj]

While I can't give out whole car photos yet, it's going to be a tight finish this year. I can give you this sneak peak from the engine dyno.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpIaXXhc1SQ

[Pete Marsh]

Our car shipped on Tuesday morning.

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/2448/p4230484du9.jpg

See you all soon!

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9457/uwam07ot9.jpg

[RiNaZ]

just took my breath away ...

[Neil S]

very nice, much cleaner rear end this year from what I remember in the past.

[Gibe]

So many gorgeous cars! I can't wait to go to my first competition.

UTA - First Suspension Day. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh1iwc7PGaw) From this past Saturday. (took me until now for youtube to convert the video with sound)

...and a better look at our w.i.p.
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s125/amazingsup0r/P_00400.jpg

I'll probablyy edit tomorrow with a better picture.

[Mikko Ahola]

Originally posted by Pete Marsh:
Our car shipped on Tuesday morning.



See you all soon!

Hi Pete!

Great looking car as usual! See you at Michigan!

[Brett Neale]

Some nice looking cars being revealed lately, good luck to everyone at Detroit!

PS - UWA and RMIT = Aussie pride! Time to show those yanks a thing or two...

[ad]

Originally posted by Brett Neale:
Some nice looking cars being revealed lately, good luck to everyone at Detroit!

PS - UWA and RMIT = Aussie pride! Time to show those yanks a thing or two...

Pete you driving??

That was some fantastic driving at Aus. Never seen an fsae car that quick before.

[flavorPacket]

hah...as if the aussies have been doing so badly in the past...

I have no doubt that Australia will be well represented by the teams that come. We yanks need to have our affairs in order if we want to even compete.

[exFSAE]

UWA - wow.

[MikeDutsa]

Nice lookin car this year UTA. Looks like there are going to be a bunch of TEXAS teams at West. Lets see the cars UT, A&M, Houston, Tech.

http://roadrunner-sae.com/carpic.jpg

This is UTSA's car.

[Alex S.]

Here is a video of our 2008 car being shaken down earlier this week.

Shakedown MY2008 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA6KFzEio0I)

http://web.mit.edu/amsoo/Public/Formula%20SAE/Forums/DSC00540.JPG

http://web.mit.edu/amsoo/Public/Formula%20SAE/Forums/DSC00542.JPG

We were planning on attending VIR but during this testing session we blew our engine. There was an incompatibility in the mounting brackets for the dry sump oil pump between the '04 and '06 CBR600f4i engine and we sheared the shaft, starving our engine. Here you can see a picture of how bad our engine ate itself, as evidenced by the chunks in the oil from our dry sump pan.
http://web.mit.edu/amsoo/Public/Formula%20SAE/Forums/DSC00550.JPG

Anyways, we had to scrap our VIR trip, disappointingly, but we'll be pulling our engine and hitting some autocrosses in the northeast this weekend. Looking forward to seeing everybody at Detroit. Cars looks great!


Alex S.
MIT Motorsports Team Manager

[Mike Hart]

Anyone else watch the TUGraz launch?!

[James Morris]

Yeah I watched it, bit disappointing really after all that talking only getting to see the car from a distance.

What's everyone else's thoughts?

[Ianb]

It looks like a slightly bigger version of their 2007 car with what looks like full camber compensation.

The air box looks like it has quite a bend on it.

[Mike Hart]

Originally posted by James Morris:
Yeah I watched it, bit disappointing really after all that talking only getting to see the car from a distance.

What's everyone else's thoughts?

I know what you mean! If you hung on long enough though they did show some closeups. Nice car again, but I'm going to go out on a limb a bit and say it's not quite a good looking styling wise as last years car....probably a result of the new cockpit rules though.

Good to see they've copied us and used Aprillia RSV Mille rads though.....I think? :P

[Ianb]

I know what you mean! If you hung on long enough though they did show some closeups. Nice car again, but I'm going to go out on a limb a bit and say it's not quite a good looking styling wise as last years car....probably a result of the new cockpit rules though.

Good to see they've copied us though and used Aprillia RSV Mille rads though.....I think? :P

It looks like it could possibly fit the cockpit opening template, but not the internal cross section template all the way to 100mm from the pedal, but its hard to tell from a video

[Mike Hart]

Yeah very true! The cars are going to look horrid with the new template!

Are you one of the team going to the Dunlop test next week? Shame we couldn't both find a date to suit. I tested them (in a rather ill car with a broken piston ring!) on Tuesday and I really like them. The difference the radials bring is really interesting and the feedback is about 10 times better. Had the car not been ill....they'd have been on the same pace as the Avons too and the best news is they're as tough as anything. After 7 or 8 laps of hard abuse they still had the moulding marks on the centre!

[Ianb]

Yeah Ben seems really excited by them.

The weatherman says there is a 60% chance of rain and 9 deg c, which is a shame, want to see what they are like back to back with the other tyres in the heat.

The previous batch of dunlops did lack on the feedback side. Look forward to seeing the results of this batch.

[James Morris]

Just thought id post a picture of our new chassis fresh from paint this afternoon.

http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v240/179/67/529785397/n529785397_2781962_7826.jpg

Should be built up by the end of the week

What do you guys think?

James Morris

Swansea Metropolitan University

[duckei]

Originally posted by Gibe:
So many gorgeous cars! I can't wait to go to my first competition.

UTA - First Suspension Day. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh1iwc7PGaw) From this past Saturday. (took me until now for youtube to convert the video with sound)

I'll probablyy edit tomorrow with a better picture.

UTA,

Looks like you guys might have tabs for wings, but I see no wings. Is that changing for East or West? You guys had some sweet ones in ze past. Beautiful car by the way.

-Ian

[Mexellent]

Originally posted by duckei:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gibe:
So many gorgeous cars! I can't wait to go to my first competition.

UTA - First Suspension Day. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh1iwc7PGaw) From this past Saturday. (took me until now for youtube to convert the video with sound)

I'll probablyy edit tomorrow with a better picture.

UTA,

Looks like you guys might have tabs for wings, but I see no wings. Is that changing for East or West? You guys had some sweet ones in ze past. Beautiful car by the way.

-Ian </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, the wings will be on for Detroit. Compared to UWA and TU Graz (among others) I think shes pretty ugly. But shes got it where it counts.

Dang... competition is close.

[Wes Johnson]

Finally got our behemoth running...

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8981/img20981024x768gp0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/9072/97507663yx6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Mike Hart]

Very nice spaceframe car Wes. Seems like there's a lot of quality construction there http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Out of interest, is that fabric over the rads anything special or just a temporary thing to stop them getting raped by stones during sans bodywork running? Interesting to see you're running Michelins too. What are they like in comparison to other FSAE tyres? We've found our new Dunlops to be really good...it's great to see more tyre manufacturers getting into the series.

[Wes Johnson]

Thanks for the compliments Mike.

The cloth is just there to protect the rads minus bodywork like you said.

We've been running the Mich's since 2003 through a technical partnership.. The tires have come a long way and we finally have something that should be quite competitive.

-Wes

[Mike Hart]

Yeah, working with the tyre engineers is really great. Good opportunity to get involved in something that is really useful for the real world of racing. I've learnt a lot by helping give Dunlop feedback on the tyre and it's really interesting to get to grips (no pun intended!) with feeling the different characteristics of crossply's and radials. Are the Michelins radials? Roughly what kind of camber are you running because it's something we're going to have to play around with no that we've made the switch from the Avons.

[Wes Johnson]

Working with Michelin has definitely taught us how to carry out a more efficient test program, and get better data out of test drivers.

The Michelins are radials. You can expect to run 1.5-2 degrees more from your bias ply setup as a baseline. Playing with radial tires is a different ballgame from what most race engineers and drivers are used to around here.

Pull the fenders off of some Michelin-shodded touring cars and you'll find upwards of 7 degrees static negative in the front.

[ben]

Man, I'm feeling the pressure now :-)

Ben

[Drew Price]

First drive last night. We will be continuing testing and tuning the engine early mornings these last few weeks before comp in one of the newer parking lots which are pretty deserted early in the day.

This is Northwestern University's first ever FSAE car. This is the first FSAE car to use the Suzuki LT-R450 450cc single-cylinder powerplant. First LT-R450 to use full standalone engine control. Spark and fuel control is MSII.

Video 1 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4170770362489914658&hl=en)

Video 2 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8166546969927948029&hl=en)



See everyone at MIS.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3150/2449926918_f36db5b044_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2176/2449946242_e1a585b2a7_b.jpg



Best,
Drew

[zfettig]

The throttle linkage is hooked up behing the firewall. The throttle body itself is on the carbs.

Yes, carbs.

The tripod things on the side are supports so a person can actually stand on the sidepods. Our fabricator was worried about wrecking them getting out of the car in 5 seconds.

We didn't use the impact attenuator for testing, or the body panels, 'cause we didn't want to wreck them before competition.


Originally posted by MacGyver27:
Justin,

Out of curiosity, where is your throttle? Also, what is the little tripod looking outcrop off of the side of the frame? Camera mount?

Looks great for a first year team. Don't forget your crushable though. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[zfettig]

Originally posted by ad:
Justin,

Great effort to get the car running!

Love the baseball at the rear. True Spirit :P

Jeff,

Also a nice effort from Alabama, looks very tidy.

http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
the baseball is a little homage to the UMass - Lowell Baseball Reasearch Center, who made the car possible. Our Pushbar was a couple of baseball bats.

[Mustang Mac]

The throttle linkage is hooked up behing the firewall. The throttle body itself is on the carbs.

Yes, carbs.


Per the rules;
3.5.4.3 Intake System Restrictor
In order to limit the power capability from the engine, a single circular restrictor
must be placed in the intake system between the throttle and the engine and all
engine airflow must pass through the restrictor. Any device that has the ability to
throttle the engine downstream of the restrictor is prohibited.

Looking at your design, your throttle is downstream of the restrictor. You said you ran at VIR, what did the judges say?

[zfettig]

Well...
They didn't mention them.
We goofed up there. But it definitely wasn't malicious. And with the carbs, probably made no difference. We lost a bunch of points before that for other powertrain issues.


Originally posted by Mustang Mac:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> The throttle linkage is hooked up behing the firewall. The throttle body itself is on the carbs.

Yes, carbs.


Per the rules;
3.5.4.3 Intake System Restrictor
In order to limit the power capability from the engine, a single circular restrictor
must be placed in the intake system between the throttle and the engine and all
engine airflow must pass through the restrictor. Any device that has the ability to
throttle the engine downstream of the restrictor is prohibited.

Looking at your design, your throttle is downstream of the restrictor. You said you ran at VIR, what did the judges say? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[mok]

After having done some last test runs we finally shipped our car two days ago. It is (as with most European teams) our last years car - but at least it's well tested ;-)

Looking forward to our first US competition, and many thanks to the guys from UW Madison for hosting us!

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7578/20080315vorbereitungenudw7.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6128/20080428vorbereitungenupj2.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1595/20080428vorbereitungenusd8.jpg

[Mike Hart]

Good to see on the top shelf there you've thought of the important things first :P Good luck in the US. Show 'em how us Europeans do it http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Mike Hart]

Originally posted by ben:
Man, I'm feeling the pressure now :-)

Ben

How much exactly? 7, 10, 13psi?
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Sorry....it just had to be said http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[exFSAE]

When are those michelins available for sale? Might have a side project.

[The AFX Master]

Car #91 from Universidad Simon Bolivar, Venezuela just shipped early morning today!

See you on MIS next week

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk229/theafxmaster/CIMG3375.jpg
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk229/theafxmaster/CIMG3384.jpg

[Wes Johnson]

Originally posted by exFSAE:
When are those michelins available for sale? Might have a side project.

I am told soon.

[BamaJeff]

Originally posted by Al1189:
Marquette's Car

vids - 1st one's the best
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0IATESiYpSI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vy585X9v2pY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HQDSVLG9kWI

That's real safe.

Your University's risk management department must love you.

[Grant Mahler]

Originally posted by Al1189:
Marquette's Car

vids - 1st one's the best
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0IATESiYpSI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vy585X9v2pY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HQDSVLG9kWI



WTF man.

[Chris Aho]

Not that I haven't done some stupid things myself, but you might want to reconsider having the videos on youtube. I am sure that the judges who see this will look at you with disdain at competition

[Brett Neale]

"Oh sure Officer, it's fully street-legal..."

That is absolute stupidity.

[schmason]

hah i cant beleive you posted that. that is some of the dumbest shit i have ever seen

[Ashley Denmead]

hmmmm i'de also be removing those videos before more people find them......Doing it is one stupid thing. FILMING it AND posting it on the web is a whole new level.

[JamesWolak]

Originally posted by Al1189:
Marquette's Car

vids - 1st one's the best
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0IATESiYpSI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vy585X9v2pY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HQDSVLG9kWI


Bet you won't take it on the highway http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Yellow Ranger]

1 Week until East- how is everyone doing?

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn210/alle2911/Wallpaper.jpg

Picture of us testing with an almost finished car...

[lporter]

Still no headrest? And is that a Nomex hoodie I see?

More seriously, that is a very good looking car. You guys should have no problem breaking the string of bad luck you had in endurance at East and West.

Here's what we're bringing:
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/portel/n17500366_31091122_6367.jpg

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm75/portel/n17505463_31050801_323.jpg

[A Richards]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Al1189:
Marquette's Car

vids - 1st one's the best
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0IATESiYpSI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vy585X9v2pY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HQDSVLG9kWI

Farrkin hell man, what on earth were you thinking.

What happens when a wheel comes off the car and hits some person standing on the street. Dont get me wrong im all for risking my own health and safety but pay some respect to those around you.

[exFSAE]

I wanted to drive our FSAE car around on campus, but the campus police wouldn't have liked that much. And they know us well enough to know exactly where to look when they hear that there is a racecar zippin around campus.

I was going to say taking it on the street is nuts.. but now that I think of it, I think a year or two before my time there was some taking the FSAE car from my team out on the street (for reasons beyond me). I vaguely recall photos of it, but those are stashed away!

[GSXR05K]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0IATES
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vy585X
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HQDSVL

A good way to get your FSAE program suspended.

[Yellow Ranger]

Originally posted by lporter:
Still no headrest? And is that a Nomex hoodie I see?

This was a while back, we've got one now, and the additional tubes to meet that awesome rule changed that was made in December...

Glad to see RPI is up and running- hopfully another good showing from you guys. Car looks good!

[Kirk Feldkamp]

AHHH! Why do I always get to the fantastically stupid videos too late?! Anyone download it somehow? I gotta see this one!

-Kirk

[Superfast Matt McCoy]

Originally posted by Kirk Feldkamp:
AHHH! Why do I always get to the fantastically stupid videos too late?! Anyone download it somehow? I gotta see this one!

-Kirk

They were just driving the car on a street through campus. Nothing too spectacular; I think everyone is over-reacting a bit.

[Kirk Feldkamp]

Shoot, is that all? When did this forum turn into a bunch of safety wimps? http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif I can understand the fire suit concerns... but come on, unless they were racing through campus, then this does sound like an overreaction. I'd still like to see it to see for myself. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

-Kirk

[Steve O]

Kirk, to give you more insight, I would say it would probably be something I would do; however, I wouldn't post it on the internet. I also probably wouldn't do it in the middle of the day in a busy road. Other than that I think I would agree that everyone has been overreacting.


Steve

[Dan Lentsch]

Just thought I'd say as the leader of the Marquette team that we wont ever be doing that again.. Pretty stupid on our part, thank god no one was hurt.

[TMichaels]

We have recently posted our presentation video that we showed before unveiling our car. Be sure to pump up the volume as I think it is the soundtrack that makes the video an impressive one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEYhulwqg_U&eurl=http://www.lionsracing.de/

Regards,

Tobi

[brettd]

^^ Very very nice video, loved the music, what is it?

[Mikko Ahola]

Helsinki and RMIT testing at Oakland University. Some pics and more info to be released soon.

[TMichaels]

Hey Brett,
the title is called "Serenata" performed by "Immediate Music". It is a movie theme played in Spiderman and 300. As our media guy showed me the video I played it in an endless loop only because of the music http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Regards,

Tobi

[ad]

Tobi,

nice video!

How wide are those rear tires??

[uwptom]

Our car is now up and running, we tested it for the first time and ran in the rain. It was about 46 degrees and raining heavily at 1:30 AM Sunday. We should have some pictures up soon.

-Tom

[Drew Price]

Regarding:


Originally posted by Mikko Ahola:
Helsinki and RMIT testing at Oakland University.

Quote from our engine guy, Grant:

"What?!?! You can't put RMIT and Helsinki testing together ..... that's like cheating...."

See you guys at MIS.

Best,
Drew

[mwebster]

The University of Manchester's car is running as of last week - we're getting ready for the UK competition.

Sounded pretty good in the tunnel under our engineering building, although the admin staff that complained didn't seem to think so! Next job is to make an exhaust baffle...

http://racingteam.manchester.ac.uk/gallery/albums/man08firstrun/man08firstrun1.jpg
http://racingteam.manchester.ac.uk/gallery/albums/man08firstrun/man08firstrun6.jpg


Matt Webster
University of Manchester Formula Student

[uwptom]

Here is a video our camera guy threw together in a couple of minutes of our second test. Its 84 hours before MIS and less than that until we leave. The car is finally drivable.

http://s22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/duwem/?action=vi...8FormulaCar_0001.flv (http://s22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/duwem/?action=view&current=08FormulaCar_0001.flv)

-Tom

[drivetrainUW-Platt]

hmm...3:40 am...just got home from a long day of working on the car...got to love FSAE.

To add to the above post, heres what she looks like.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/duwem/carground.jpg

[BrendonD]

^^^ What Tires are those?

[Mike Sadie]

Goodyear D2691 R065 Intermediates
Last I saw, they are cut by hand from R065 slicks (former compound). Two years ago at FSAE East, there weren't enough molded wets to go around so they were cutting tons of these in the Goodyear trailer.

[exFSAE]

Molded wets are a harder compound.

You sure those are 2691s? Not 1385s or 2509s? That white painted sidewall looks ancient.

[BrendonD]

Yeah, the sidewalls were what threw me off, they look like they're at least 5-6 years old, hahaha.

[mumbles]

Western Washington's unveiling video is finally up on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IlDP_Z1svg

[RiNaZ]

if you had put an english voice doing the commentary, i would've thought i was watching an episode from Top Gear http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[J. Vinella]

mumbles,

Well done sir. I would have to say the best FSAE video I have seen to date.

Where did you get those helper/tender springs? When we talked to RCS they said they didn't have any flat wire.

[Matt N]

Jack,

I know they look like flat wire but they actually aren't. They are round steel wire.

[Mike Hart]

Wow. That's a bit good!

[Thrainer]

Our new car Maloja had her rollout last tuesday. However, it was a dry one, no liquids allowed in the hall.

http://www.amzracing.ch/amz/files/amz295.jpg

Our website: http://www.amz.ethz.ch/

[Thrainer]

Another angle. Sorry for the low quality of the picture.

http://www.amzracing.ch/amz/files/amz351.jpg


PS: Yes, it is mahogany.

Regards,
Thomas

AMZ - ETH Zurich

[Chris Lane]

Hot car...

Just out of interest, how much weight does your bodywork add to the car?

[screwdriver]

Isn't that a cf monocoque?
Btw. did you really use dry cf mats or prepregs?

[Pete Fodor]

I like the purple! How's the body going?




http://racingteam.manchester.ac.uk/gallery/albums/man08firstrun/man08firstrun1.jpg
http://racingteam.manchester.ac.uk/gallery/albums/man08firstrun/man08firstrun6.jpg


Matt Webster
University of Manchester Formula Student

[ad]

Looking good Macros,

Have you removed the side 'pockets' this year? I think at AUS in 08 they were for the intake and fuel tank? Could this mean you are moving to an NA car?

[Moke]

Andrew

The saddle bags, as we lovingly called them, have been ditched but the supercharger remains. You are right they housed the intake and fuel tank, this year we have repackaged the rear so don't require their services.

[Thrainer]

Hot car...

Just out of interest, how much weight does your bodywork add to the car?


Isn't that a cf monocoque?
Btw. did you really use dry cf mats or prepregs?

Thanks.
Yes, we have a CF monocoque. The bodywork on the left and right are about 2 kg each, the one for the rear might be roughly 0.5 kg. The nose piece is 0.8 kg.

The monocoque, undertray, airbox, seat and steering wheel were laminated with dry mats. Prepreg material was used for the suspension arms.

Regards,
Thomas

[Laurence]

Pete,
The purples been a point of contention within in the team. I like it though.
Were just finishing off our main bodywork plug,were aiming to have the bodywork finished in the next two weeks. Most of the bodywork is just flat carbon panels which are already complete.

Hows your car coming on this year?

[Dennis Seichter]

Proudly presenting the KIT08:
http://www.ka-raceing.de/images/stories/anlsse/rollout/rollout-55.jpg

Sorry about the pic size, is there a code-bit for resizing?

[RiNaZ]

beautiful, another monocoque. Dennis, do you have a close up of your steering wheel http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

[Dennis Seichter]

RiNaZ, actually it's no monocoque http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif but I'll take it as a compliment.

There's a closeup on our page (sorry, only german), just click here (http://www.ka-raceing.de/index.php?option=com_expose&Itemid=66) and select "Saison 2008" and then "Der KIT08"

[RiNaZ]

my bad ... I just saw a big space in the side panels and thought it was a mono. It looks nice regardless.

[war eagle racer]

auburn 08 in Detroit


http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk273/specracer29/100_7909.jpg

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk273/specracer29/100_7927.jpg

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk273/specracer29/100_7923.jpg

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk273/specracer29/100_7918.jpg
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk273/specracer29/100_7943.jpg

[DART-CG]

This one arrived 3 weeks ago in our garage...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3010/2564682537_93745ac599_b.jpg

[Brett Neale]

Originally posted by Dennis Seichter:
Proudly presenting the KIT08

Nice looking car! How does that go with the 2009 cockpit templates?

[Dennis Seichter]

Originally posted by Brett Neale:
Nice looking car! How does that go with the 2009 cockpit templates?

I suppose it wont fit the 2009 templates, as it is designed for Silverstone, Hockenheim and Fiorano (which all use the 2008 rules). We are currently not planning to compete in any 2009 competition with that car.

[HenkWapstra]

Presenting the DUT08:

http://www.dutracing.nl/images/stories/08/DUT08_1.jpg
http://www.dutracing.nl/images/stories/08/DUT08_2.jpg

http://www.dutracing.nl/images/stories/08/DUT08_3.jpg

Photography by: Jorrit Lousberg www.lightatwork.nl (http://www.lightatwork.nl)

Henk Wapstra
www.dutracing.nl (http://www.dutracing.nl)

[Chris Lane]

Great photos! I really like the forest shots.

Looks like a neat little car too.

[MalcolmG]

Nice photos http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif What's the deal with the middle picture, did you set up some sort of public unveiling or was it part of another event? Does the car meet the 2009 cockpit templates?

[benjo]

DART-CG. That looks quite sexy, looking forward to seeing the end result.

HenkWapstra - Is that all photoshopped? Or am I just a sceptic?? If so it's very nice work.

[HenkWapstra]

@Malcom: It is indeed a picture of the public unveiling which we did in the beautiful city centre of Delft! The car does not meet the '09 templates as it is only designed for competing in the UK and Germany this year.

@Benjo: No photoshop involved, we are very lucky to have an excellent photographer

[benjo]

Henk,

Ok, I trust you even though they have been opened in photoshop at some stage to save or crop. Drag the pics into notepad or word or whatever and ctrl+f for photoshop it's all over the place http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Macros]

A good photographer would be silly not to adjust pictures in photoshop. (levels/contrast/curves)

[MH]

Originally posted by benjo:
Henk,

Ok, I trust you even though they have been opened in photoshop at some stage to save or crop. Drag the pics into notepad or word or whatever and ctrl+f for photoshop it's all over the place http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

They're real alright, I still have the bruises from the bumpy ride. But it was well worth it http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

MH
Delft University

[C.Zinke]

Hi, this week we set up the ABS for the LR08. The car feels good and we will do setup tests now until FS UK. I would like to show you some laps on the go-cart track just after finishing the ABS adjustments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6x32gMtoi0#

Regards

Christopher

[ad]

Originally posted by C.Zinke:
Hi, this week we set up the ABS for the LR08. The car feels good and we will do setup tests now until FS UK. I would like to show you some laps on the go-cart track just after finishing the ABS adjustments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6x32gMtoi0#

Regards

Christopher

Great Stuff Christopher!

Are you able to reveal any of the details on your ABS system?

- How do you control it? Hydraulically? (i.e. adjust line pressure?)
- What sort of weight penalty is incurred from this?

Doesnt have to be specifics, just curiosity http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[URE_BB]

University Racing Eindhoven - rollout of the URE 04:

http://www.nufoto.nl/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/pict3291_cd8f20577f08fb6b1e53fd449d7281665ab393d6. jpg
http://www.nufoto.nl/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/pict3392_f2a1653fc89206840dbc510d3162e2d37e3153d8. jpg
http://www.nufoto.nl/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/pict3492_de8a530370152a2569ea7002e64475f0bd0f7d3e. jpg

[ben]

Originally posted by DART-CG:
This one arrived 3 weeks ago in our garage...



You guy's running your 15" Pirelli radials again this year?

Ben

[DART-CG]

Jap, for sure. We have the opportunity to further develop the tire in collaboration with Pirelli since two years now. Yesterday loop 6 arrived with a new and lighter layer assembly and was tested on or last years beta2007. I hope the gamma2008 likes them http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[TMichaels]

@Andrew: Better late than never http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The brake pressure of each wheel is controlled separately by two valves per brake line inside the hydraulics module of the ABS. We are able to hold the driver applied pressure by closing the first valve as well as to decrease the driver applied pressure by opening the second valve. A hydraulic pump is integrated to further increase the ability to lower the brake pressure when the second valve is open, if needed.

The ABS itself weighs 2.7kg. The added wiring loom weight, the wheel speed sensors and the sensorcluster add another 750gr. The additional brake pressure lines and the brake pressure sensors add again ca 750gr. The overall penalty should be around 4.2kg to 5.0kg.

A critical point is the current consumption. The ABS draws around 40A from the boardnet, while braking. This has to be considered, while designing the car's electric system. Otherwise one might fail to restart during endurance.

Regards,

Tobi

[Chris Lane]

Originally posted by TMichaels:
A critical point is the current consumption. The ABS draws around 40A from the boardnet, while braking. This has to be considered, while designing the car's electric system. Otherwise one might fail to restart during endurance.


Very interesting! I had no idea that an ABS system drew so much current.

Is is possible to have a passive system instead of an active one? I'd be interested to see how much extra weight that would cost you if it's achievable

[TMichaels]

The high current is mainly drawn by the hydraulic pump, but the electromagnetic valves also have to be driven by high-currents to achieve short opening times.

As far as I know there were mechanic ABS on the market before the rise of the microcontrollers began, but I do not know how they work.

Regards,

Tobi

[Steve O]

Possibly a silly question, but isn't ABS non-compliant with the rule that says you need to be able to lock up all 4 wheels?

Steve

[Chris Lane]

Originally posted by Steve O:
Possibly a silly question, but isn't ABS non-compliant with the rule that says you need to be able to lock up all 4 wheels?

Steve

If the system is electronic, I can imagine it can be turned off for the brake test

[TMichaels]

Hi Steve,
you would be right, if we had not that little switch in the cockpit marked with "ABS on/off". We are able to deactivate all functions of the ABS from within the cockpit.

A little story from the brake test at FS UK 2007:
Me, the driver, driving towards the marshalls.
Me: "We are equipped with ABS, should it be turned on or off during the brake test?" (I knew we would not pass the brake test with ABS, but asking a question does not cost a thing.)
Marshall:"You can leave it turned on, as long as all wheels lock up during braking."
Me:"?????" (Why should we use an Anti-lock braking System that is not working?)
I turned it off, and we passed the test....

Regards,

Tobi

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sounds to me like the marshall was taking the piss. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Im curious as to why a system say for example ABS, which circumvents the requirements to the dynamic events, are actually allowed at all. Can or are they not a direct exploitation of the rules and in essence a violation of the 'intent' of the ruling?

Lets use another example of say teams with an exhaust butterfly valve (and close this during noise testing), or lets say teams which take a deliberate measure to 'mislead' actual rpm readings, say on electronic dashes to pass a noise test.

I would like to express that i think the effort that has been put in by your team Tobi to develop an ABS system is important, especially considering its relevance to the current commercial and industrial automotive markets. And im not suggesting that your team certainly exploits the rules, im just curious to peoples opinions on these 'technologies' which may be perceived as potentially violating the rules.

[TMichaels]

Prior to the beginning of the developement of the ABS, we had mail traffic with the rules commitee and they told us that it is allowed.

The rules have several greyzones:
Turbo teams are not measured under load at the noise test.

Only the FSG organizers want the noise tested team to show the RPM in their engine management software and not on a dash panel. The other events trust in the teams dashpanel readings.

The closed exhaust butterfly valve is prohibited at the FSG. The other events still allow them.

There are even teams not being able to fit Percy in their car.

The essence: As long as it is not prohibited, it is permitted. We should stop complaining about the rules. Even if the rules will have 500+ pages, there will always be different opinions and interpretations. Every gap in the rules will be used, until it is filled by the commitee.

@Andew: Are you Andrew Deakin?

Regards,

Tobi

[Chris Lane]

If there was a ruling on EVERY aspect of the car design, then there would be no room for innovation and every car would practically be similar. What an engineering competition that would be hey?

I like the (even slightly) grey areas; it makes a designer think long and hard about how to satisfy the rules and maximise car performance or minimise weight of a part or system.

[HenningO]

The intent of the (brake test) rule is obviously to make sure that teams have proper brakes on the car. Lions have this as they manage to lock their wheels when their system is turned off. The rule doesn't say that you at all times must be able to lock all your four wheels.

Only problem I can see is if the ABS malfunctions. Tobi, if the electronic valves in your ABS box (which is a Bosch box, not student designed if I remember correctly) malfunctions so that they lower the brake pressure coming from the driver. How much would the actual brake pressure be reduced and for how long? (Not trying to get you busted here, just out of curiosity).

But then again, I guess the ABS system works like any other, if it detects one malfunctioning component, it shuts down and a LED lights up on your dashboard http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Chris Lane]

Originally posted by HenningO:
But then again, I guess the ABS system works like any other, if it detects one malfunctioning component, it shuts down and a LED lights up on your dashboard http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

And FSAE limp mode engages to allow the car to get back to the tent for repairs... http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[flavorPacket]

Originally posted by ad:
And im not suggesting that your team certainly exploits the rules, im just curious to peoples opinions on these 'technologies' which may be perceived as potentially violating the rules.

This is a competition. I don't understand why you wouldn't try to achieve every possible advantage over your competitors.

[Pete Fodor]

o so so should be ready for event. I think. a few problems though. Plenum blew up the other day so that had to be fixed. Along with some other things.

I like the purple so i reckon don't change it because its a bit original.

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=youjutsusha&p=r


Originally posted by Laurence:
Pete,
The purples been a point of contention within in the team. I like it though.
Were just finishing off our main bodywork plug,were aiming to have the bodywork finished in the next two weeks. Most of the bodywork is just flat carbon panels which are already complete.

Hows your car coming on this year?

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@Tobi, sorry no i am not Andrew Deakin.

@Flavour, I didnt say you shouldnt aim for every possible advantage, either legitimate or not.

[Daniel Cal Poly Pomona]

Finally got around to taking a good picture.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3230/2609421172_d5fd2e2360.jpg?v=0
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3236/2608590915_b9380b9ae9.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3229/2609421584_e449a03c0d.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3113/2608591047_71e8424538.jpg?v=0

Enjoy.

[James Morris]

@ Pete Fodor, is that a blow off/ dump valve on your plenum?

Were running E85 for the first time this year and have managed to blow up 4 plenums within the last month due to backfire at cranking! So running a dump valve is one of the solutions we are looking at rather than purging the plenum every time the car is started by cranking the engine with no spark.

James Morris
Swansea Metropolitan University

[Michael Palaszynski]

sweet car cal poly, does the nose cone/frontal body work pass the 1/2" radius rule? what kind of plenum are you guys running this year? i love the one i saw at west '07.

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Originally posted by Daniel Cal Poly Pomona:
Finally got around to taking a good picture.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3230/2609421172_d5fd2e2360.jpg?v=0
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3236/2608590915_b9380b9ae9.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3229/2609421584_e449a03c0d.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3113/2608591047_71e8424538.jpg?v=0

Enjoy.

Im liking that new car guys!!

Any of the boys / girls from the 2005/6 team still around?? Dustin? Dan? Jeremy?

[Pete Fodor]

Its a safety valve so yea a blow off valve. But not running with the recirculating valve for the supercharger is causing problems it seems.

The backfire happened when it was turned over and immediately took out the plenum. #sigh#

Cranking the engine with no spark seems labourious. What are you guys running?


Originally posted by James Morris:
@ Pete Fodor, is that a blow off/ dump valve on your plenum?

Were running E85 for the first time this year and have managed to blow up 4 plenums within the last month due to backfire at cranking! So running a dump valve is one of the solutions we are looking at rather than purging the plenum every time the car is started by cranking the engine with no spark.

James Morris
Swansea Metropolitan University

ps Very nice car Cal Poly

[James Morris]

We are running a naturally aspirated Honda CBR600FY on E85, compression ratio raised to 15.7:1.
The car out and about testing and all's going well, just waiting for the bodywork to be finished.

P.s. excuse the data loom, we "borrowed"� it of our formula Renault so there are some massive loops of wiring all over the place. It wont be on at the comp.

Come over and say high at silverstone, (just 2 weeks now http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif)http://photos-g.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v257/179/67/529785397/n529785397_3285902_3454.jpg

[Gasperini]

sweet car cal poly, does the nose cone/frontal body work pass the 1/2" radius rule? what kind of plenum are you guys running this year? i love the one i saw at west '07.
Terps Racing

Thanks! The nose meets the rules, but barely. We controlled this by going from a 3D model to CNC'd foam. The bottom radii fit the tubes, but as they sweep forward they expand.

The plenum looks similar, but it's been updated. I'm not the one to ask about that though.


Originally posted by ad:
Im liking that new car guys!!

Any of the boys / girls from the 2005/6 team still around?? Dustin? Dan? Jeremy?

We have a few of the old crew around. I think the only ones left are nick, dan, jose, cameron, and to an extent, me. Dustin graduated, and Jeremy is working on a special project.

[colin s]

Oh snap, Dan! Loving the car but wheres the flames?

Thats looking very nice guys.

Good luck this weekend, and make sure the pool is up and running in my absence!

Our launch is tonight so I'll be sure to put up some of our car up tommorow.

[Pete Fodor]

oooo
I will be sure to come over and badger you guys

Looking good.

The team is waiting for the bodywork to be painted still but hopefully it will get done so it can fitted before the event.


Originally posted by James Morris:
We are running a naturally aspirated Honda CBR600FY on E85, compression ratio raised to 15.7:1.
The car out and about testing and all's going well, just waiting for the bodywork to be finished.

P.s. excuse the data loom, we "borrowed"� it of our formula Renault so there are some massive loops of wiring all over the place. It wont be on at the comp.

Come over and say high at silverstone, (just 2 weeks now http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif)http://photos-g.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v257/179/67/529785397/n529785397_3285902_3454.jpg

[DART-CG]

Yesterday we unveiled our gamma2008 in the Darmstadium Congress Center. The car weighs 195kg at ~100hp (GSXR600 Engine).
We further developed our Pirelli 15 inch low-section tire. The car also features a monocoque, ellipsoid CFRP wishbones with flexi-joints and CFRP wheels (not mounted during presenation).
Hope it won't brake down in Silverstone due to short testing time http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Here is a photo-series of the assembling of the car during last week.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-W3st0RJXE



http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3046/2616304617_61c44da672_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3030/2617129194_d814d55106_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3005/2616304777_3d1f318d73_o.jpg

[Pete Fodor]

that sir is fecking awesome

very nice car

[C.Zinke]

Yes, looks really nice. It a petty that it was not finished earlier. We still use the normal version of the CaneCreeks with 165mm length. What do you use this year? I wonder why you still have no camber compensation. Is this because of your suspension concept or was it necessary due to the mold of the 2006 monocoque?
Your rims look really cool. Like to see them in Silverstone!

[DART-CG]

Hi, we use the FSAE CaneCreeks with also 165mm length with the optimized damping ratio. Last year we used the normal CaneCreek.
The whole suspension geometry wasn't adjusted too precisely for presentation matters http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif For sure we have a static negative camber but it wasn't set for the rollout. Which mold of the monocoque do you mean?
It was hard to realize the whole project because nearly every team member from last year left. Driver training was/is done and essential parts were all tested on the beta2007. Hope the shakedown on monday won't be too shakie!

[Mike Hart]

Looks really good guys. Will be great to have a look at it in a week and a bit.

We launched our car yesterday. Was a real mission staying up all night putting everything back together, but it's done now, started first time and we're ready to do an intensive test schedule to check everything runs OK before UK!

[Mike Hart]

Well. We've finally launched our car. Got some intensive testing to do before UK, but all seems good at the moment. We're all very pleased to get the car finished and feel it's one of the best we've made for a while. Let's hope we can prove that at competition!

http://www.ubracing.co.uk/images/ubr/ubr11/launch/ubr11_small1.jpg

http://www.ubracing.co.uk/images/ubr/ubr11/launch/ubr11_small2.jpg

http://www.ubracing.co.uk/images/ubr/ubr11/launch/ubr11_small3.jpg

[Horace]

Here's a shot that another team took, which I thought was pretty good. We didn't have a dedicated photographer because we're a small team.

http://www.mkosonen.com/fsaeday3/images/IMG_7882.jpg

Thank you WSU for the beautiful photo

P.S. a team stopped by our paddock and told us that they took a photo of our car on 2 wheels. If that photo really exists please let us know! Thanks

[James Waltman]

Originally posted by Horace:
P.S. a team stopped by our paddock and told us that they took a photo of our car on 2 wheels. If that photo really exists please let us know! Thanks

Yeah, that was me:
http://www.wwufsae.com/Waltman/Pictures/Hosted/Poly_on_two_wheels.JPG

The left side of the frame shows that two more photographers may have captured it too.
Anyone know who they are?

I have another picture from about one second before this one - it shows the opposite rear tire off of the ground.

Horace, I'm emailing you higher resolution versions of those two.

[jlflores]

Originally posted by James Waltman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Horace:
P.S. a team stopped by our paddock and told us that they took a photo of our car on 2 wheels. If that photo really exists please let us know! Thanks

Yeah, that was me:
http://www.wwufsae.com/Waltman/Pictures/Hosted/Poly_on_two_wheels.JPG

The left side of the frame shows that two more photographers may have captured it too.
Anyone know who they are?

I have another picture from about one second before this one - it shows the opposite rear tire off of the ground.

Horace, I'm emailing you higher resolution versions of those two. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

WOWZERS!!!!

[Pete Fodor]

Originally posted by James Waltman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Horace:
P.S. a team stopped by our paddock and told us that they took a photo of our car on 2 wheels. If that photo really exists please let us know! Thanks

Yeah, that was me:
http://www.wwufsae.com/Waltman/Pictures/Hosted/Poly_on_two_wheels.JPG

The left side of the frame shows that two more photographers may have captured it too.
Anyone know who they are?

I have another picture from about one second before this one - it shows the opposite rear tire off of the ground.

Horace, I'm emailing you higher resolution versions of those two. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nice Driving!
How did you manage to do that?

[DART-CG]

I once saw a video a few years ago from a competition from Bruntingthorpe, where a car hit a curb at maximum lateral acceleration, went on two wheel and nearly cartwheeled before landing in the gravel and spinning twice.
Does anyone know where to find this vid again?

[TMichaels]

Our vehicle status changed on sunday to heavily damaged. More information can be found here:

Heavy Crash during testing (http://fsae.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=763607348&f=125607348&m=75110646541&r=75110646541#75110646541)

Regards,

Tobi

[James Morris]

Hey Mike, your car is looking really nice.

But you might want to double check rule 3.5.5.2 Exhaust Outlet as it looks a little high.

3.5.5.2 Exhaust Outlet

The exhaust outlet(s) must not extend more than 60 cm (23.6 inches) behind the
centerline of the rear axle, and shall be no more than 60 cm (23.6 inches) above the
ground.

See you guys in a week http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

James Morris
Swansea Metropolitan University

[Mike Hart]

Well spotted James :P There was a bit of a mixup with the company that made our exhaust and they thought the max height we gave them was a 'guidline' rather than a definative rule! We've been running with a cut down can in testing and we stuck the full length one on for launch since the shorter one had no packing in it at the time and we fired her up for the crowd http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The cut down can is fine though and will pass noise no probs. It is a bit scary that we're only a week away now. The car is in bits again today before teting tomorrow!

How's your coming along?

[James Morris]

Hey Mike, cars comming along Nicely, done about two weeks of solid testing now and we have the set-ups just about nailed. The car is going to be heavy again as we have only had a core team of 7 people with 5 of them working on the engine alone. So as you might guess the biggest steps of performance has been done on the engine side of things.
A switch to E85 has bought a nice big chunk of extra power, but the engine boys have been mainly concentrating on transient mapping to make the car really drivable. A big bonus of this is that we are actually using less E85 over an endurance distance than we were using petrol over an endurance distance last year. Should put us in good stead for the fuel economy competition.
Plus we have been pulling regular 3.9 acceleration time down the main strait at
Pembrey with the fastest being a 3.81, but you know what its like with different surfaces so if we get under a 4 sec id be really happy.

Chassis wise we have fabricated 2 new chassis for class 1 and class 2, with the class 1 being an evolution of last years chassis with the emphasis on improving driver visibility, a redesigned and much improved suspension systems front and rear and a focus on the service-ability of the car as some parts last year were a massive pain in the arse to get at.

As soon as the body gets back from paint (which should be today) and gets stickerd-up I'll bang some photos of it up.

James Morris
Swansea Metropolitan University

[Robert_USM]

Some pre-silverstone testing pics.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa210/rneilsone/DSCN2748.jpg

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa210/rneilsone/DSCN2765_2.jpg

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa210/rneilsone/DSCN2768.jpg