Formula Student 2007 Competition: - Updates, Pictures, Stories, and More

[James Waltman]

Time to open the thread for all things Formula Student 2007.
Please use this thread rather than starting a bunch of new ones*.
Good luck to everyone.

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">(*With the realization that B.J. kind of started one of these already) (http://fsae.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/825607348/m/41610402141)</pre>

[HenningO]

Flying out tomorrow night, where are people staying? Dartmouth aka. "all four of us" are staying in Milton Keynes

[BStoney]

We're at the University of Warwick in Coventry until tomorrow, then to Silverstone to camp with everyone else...should be a good time.

Good luck to all...

[TomF]

Well good luck to you all guys. This will be my first event in 4 years I won't join.. I understood that Silverstone is a lot nicer to be though! Just awaiting the results curiously...

Oh and ehm go Delft!

[Kimmo Hirvonen]

Looks like Helsinki guys have done their first updates.
http://www.formula.stadia.fi/en/FS07.htm

Lots of carbon and suprisingly a new tilt table seem to be the most eye-catching things.

[AK UT]

Is that Ross Brawn in photo 49?

[DUT marco]

Yeah, that's Ross Brawn... he was at the UK event last year too and he is a sort of ambassador for Formula Student - always very interested in the creative solutions that we come up with ;-)

Btw, as TomF (hoe issie met jou? :-p) I'm also staying home for the first time since 2004, and the main disadvantage is that I can't follow the results! gheghe

Oh well, I just follow the news letters and stuff, and hopefullu there will be a videostream at at FSG this year, like there was in 2006

And to all the teams still in the running: good luck tomorrow in the Endurance!

[TomF]

Hey Marco,

Prima, met jou dan?

Results I heard viavia, Johanneum Graz did a 3.78 on accel. And some results of the Delft team, 7th on autocross (RMIT leading by 2 seconds), 4.16 on accel, 5.04 or 5.10 on figure 8. Good luck on finishing tomorrow!

[DUT marco]

I checked the site of Johanneum Graz, and it said that they won both Acceleration and Skid pad, with times of 3.78 sec and 4,996 sec respectively

If only someone had already posted a photograph of the result sheets on their team site! ;-) gheghe, that would certainly help

Apparently, Stuttgart won the Presentation Event, with a very close call between another (unmentioned) team - where the time limit decided the winner

[DUT marco]

Here are the results from the top 18 teams, I just got them from the Delft team in England... Sorry for the chaotic notations, but I hope you forgive me ;-)

University | sprint | skidpad | acc | business | design | cost = total

1. Stuttgart ...................... | 144,50 | 48,78 | 65,80 | 75,00 | 136 | 74 = 544,08
2. RMIT Melbourne ........ | 142,39 | 44,48 | 60,06 | 68,64 | 133 | 77 = 525,57
3. TU graz ........................ | 121,92 | 32,50 | 70,01 | 68,01 | 149 | 78 = 519,44
4. Johanneum Graz ....... | 107,47 | 50,00 | 75,00 | 56,57 | 133 | 86 = 508,04
5. ETS .............................. | 150,00 | 33,17 | 48,21 | 36,86 | 145 | 86 = 499,24
6. DUT Racing Delft ....... | 122,49 | 40,95 | 56,57 | 67,37 | 138 | 70 = 495,38
7. Cincinatti .................... | 113,09 | 40,14 | 52,21 | 59,75 | 139 | 76 = 480,19
8. Toronto ....................... | 88,95 | 41,69 | 54,56 | 64,86 | 138 | 84 = 472,06
9. Hartfordshire ............. | 132,30 | 32,72 | 70,58 | 47,03 | 101 | 75 = 458,63
10. Loughborough ........ | 113,64 | 42,04 | 52,90 | 74,36 | 98 | 76 = 456,94
11. Bath .......................... | 113,09 | 37,77 | 73,59 | 69,28 | 77 | 81 = 451,73
12. Oxford Brookes ...... | 141,49 | 37,09 | 63,93 | 45,76 | 83 | 80 = 451,27
13. Sofia ......................... | 101,53 | 39,33 | 69,18 | 47,67 | 119 | 74 = 450,71
14. Darthmouth ............. | 95,71 | 35,75 | 52,42 | 66,10 | 103 | 75 = 427,98
15. Akron ....................... | 81,32 | 32,54 | 56,93 | 55,93 | 112 | 84 = 422,72
16. Helsinki .................... | 58,19 | 41,10 | 54,12 | 62,29 | 126 | 78 = 419,7
17. Munchen ................. | 130,11 | 40,06 | 53,38 | 59,75 | 101 | 65 = 449,3
18. Chalmers Goteborg | 95,71 | 44,38 | 62,05 | 54,03 | 93 | 75 = 424,17

[FST dcopeto]

Does anyone have the results for class 1/200 and class 2?


thanks a lot http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Brett Neale]

Nice work RMIT! Do us Aussies proud!

[FST dcopeto]

a picture of the results sheet anyone?


thankshttp://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Martijn]

RMIT has won both Endurance and overall FSUK 2007! Delft came home second, scoring 393 in Endurance and Fuel Economy.

Singles Rule!! ;-)

[Bernatka]

Congrats to RMIT!!

[ad]

Fair Dinkim Aussie Talent Rules!

Well done RMIT!

So how about people start posting more pictures? If the yanks can manage, surely you poms can too! http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Big Bird]

My heartiest congrats to Jake, Grinchy, Ganesh, Lee and all the lads. That is a brilliant result, well done.

Also similar congrats to the crew from Delft. You were great competitors when we were over there in 04 - and it is great to see you getting results worthy of your efforts. Keep up the good work, and may you get to the top step very soon.

Cheers, and hope it was a good event for all.

[PatClarke]

Congrats to RMIT on another great win.

Come on guys, you can back off now, you really have proven the 'single' thing =] =]

Seriously, a fantastic effort. Pity you are not coming to Germany.

Cheers
Pat

[Pete Marsh]

WOW another win to RMIT! Well done guys, What an amazing string of results. Congratulations are in order, again.

How did Cincinati go? Are the results up anywhere?

Pete

[BStoney]

Cincy finished 4th overall, repeating the performance at East. However, did much better in the static events, taking 3rd in design.

Overall, a heck of a competition and a great atmosphere/venue at Silverstone. Congrats are in order to all!

[Pete Marsh]

Hi Ben,
What happened to you in autocross? Your relative performance looks down compared to East. I was secretly hoping you had the pace to knock those pesky singles off.
Well done though, awsome to see more USA teams travelling again and doing well too. Did you and Akron Share travel, accomodation etc?
Got any photos to post?

Pete.

[Smeagle]

Awesome job RMIT! Seems every time I check the forums here there's more good news. Anyone got some more pics?

[Drum]

Congrats RMIT!!

Jake, you've set a bloody good record throughout your time at RMIT FSAE. Maybe you should think about postgrad to keep an eye on things over the next few years, I'm sure Simon will be trying to persuade you....

Great news, looking forward to seeing some pics. I'm also looking forward to seeing some pics of Smeagle tanning up in Florida in his Hawaiian shirt and little umbrella cocktail in hand. Any chance Smeagle? C'mon, put one on for the crowd....

Top work to all the team, where to next?? Will be keen to see the hall of fame when I'm back that way in December.

Pat Drum
RMIT Racing Fan

[Bernatka]

Hahahaha!! Fat chance seeing Smeagle tanning away in Florida, he is back here working with me at Boeing.

Also what was the final score tally?

Burna

[Disco]

Well done to Jake and the rest of the team. 2 from 2 is a sensational effort.

Postgrad for Jake drummy??? He's got to pass his undergrad first!

Cheers
Steve Price
RMIT Alumni

[Smeagle]

God I miss you Drum

[BStoney]

Originally posted by Pete Marsh:
Hi Ben,
What happened to you in autocross? Your relative performance looks down compared to East. I was secretly hoping you had the pace to knock those pesky singles off.
Well done though, awsome to see more USA teams travelling again and doing well too. Did you and Akron Share travel, accomodation etc?
Got any photos to post?

Pete.

Hey Pete:
We had what I believe was the 3rd fastest raw time in autocross but barely picked up a single cone on that run, which really knocked us back, very unfortunate.

Photos will be up soon, as I just have to get them from the other guys. We didn't share accomodation with Akron, as camped with the rest of the crazies in the mud of the areas around Silverstone. Not too sure if I'd go for that again there...just more of a hassle than it's worth.

Congrats to RMIT, the car is just hella fast...

[Brett Neale]

Congrats RMIT! Another well-deserved title!

[Peter]

Results! (http://www.formulastudent.com/2007event/2007Results.htm)

Congrats to RMIT and to the Delft07 team! (3rd FSG06, 2nd FSUK07, 1st FSG07 ?? http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

Peter
Delft 04UK 06FSG

[DUT marco]

Congratulations to RMIT - looking at the scores for Endurance, it must have been a great view to see the Delft car and the RMIT car going around the track http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif too bad I decided to stay at home this year, of all years :P

I'm sure it will be an interesting battle at FSG in August http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Chris_S]

Congratulations to RMIT and Delft.

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/7078/dscf1313if1.jpg

Sorting through the photos at the moment.

[Skyline]

Thanks all... our results would have never been possible without the help and support from Loughborough University. Thanks so much for having us guys, and congratulations for the strong results especially in the Static events!

Congratulation to Delft, Stuttgart, Toronto and all the teams who participated... top job to everyone! Amazing performance from Stuttgart, considering its only their 2nd FSAE car ever! Definitely a name to look out for in future comps.

It has been great to catch-up with everyone from the team too... Jake, Ben, Brad, Leeroy, Matt, Steve, Paul, Dave, Elie... and Carrrly! You people rock! Hopefully we'll be able to meet-up again at the Oz Comp in December http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Once again, it was a great weekend... thanks to all!

[murpia]

Can anyone tell me what the weather was like at Silverstone on the Endurance day?

Any rain at all? There was some in Oxford and that's not far away...

Thanks, Ian

[terra_dactile]

The weather was fair, damp at some points and rained a little bit but not enough to get the track far from just Dry and Damp.

Congradulations to all of the teams that participated, TUG Had a very well organized , beautifully made racecar, there engine sounded great as well. DUT was the most amazing competitors, because they helped us all night fixing our exhaust systems, once before the autocross and then the following night before the endurance, many thanks! RMITs car was a nice evolution from there FSAE EASt winning racecar, dynamically it was awesome to watch on track, at the start of the weekend Jake RMITs technical director seemed a little bit scared of the competition, but he really lead his team threw the weekend. Stutgard was a very motivated excellent team, they really impressed me with the fact that they are already so competitive with only two years of Fstudent experience, it was a great battle in the endurance against this team, last but not leats I think that the Croatian team in paddock 8 accomplished the most of any team this weekend, coming to comp with barely a frame and getting it through tech for sundays endurance and the finishing the race, good jobs to all the teams participating, I hope that we at ETS have finally shown that we are not only strong in design but fast on the track as well, good luck to everyone going to formula germany, i hope to see all you guys in FSAE EAST next year as the world championship is up for grabs,

Jude Berthault
ETS FStudent 2003-Current
Team Captain & Vehicle Dynamics Leader

[Fyhr]

I've posted a few pictuers at http://www.luracing.com/FS2007/

Very few so far but as soon as i've cleaned up in the workshop i'll post some more.

[Todzilla]

Congrats to all who competed, you sure didn't make it easy for us, -> SLOW DOWN EVERYONE, anymore weekends like that and i'll go completely bald!!!!

Special thanks to Lo Bro Univercity for putting up with us all -> U Guys Rock!!!!!

Also Thanks the support Oakland!

[Fyhr]

Alright, here are some resized pictures, alot from our own car i'll have to admit but we were happy to finally see it in one piece. We got the rims on wednesday just before the comp and were late with the build due to lack of commitment and building experience, this beeing our first year car.

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/DSC00064.JPG
Tilt test

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/DSC00073.JPG
TU Graz front suspension

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/IMAG0754.JPG
Lund University rear end, with its signature compressor

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/IMAG0797.JPG
JPS F1 car, please update me on the year.

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/IMG_1979.JPG
Chalmers beautiful car in the tech inspection queue

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/IMG_1980.JPG
Helsinki, wonderful effort rebuilding the engine after sprint due to a breakdown and still made it to endurance

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/IMG_1983.JPG
I think this is TU Braunschweig, mad fast in endurance.

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/IMG_1987.JPG
Don't know the name of this team

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/IMG_2008.JPG
Beautiful old cobra

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/IMG_2010.JPG
KTH after some engine trouble

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/IMG_2012.JPG
Lund front suspension and steering

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/IMG_2042.JPG
Ah my first drive http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/IMG_2047.JPG
Nice ol' Bentley

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/IMG_2050.JPG
Hetfordshire hydrogen car

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/IMG_2051.JPG
Rear suspension of unknown car

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/IMG_2055.JPG
Broken A-arms

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/IMG_2069.JPG
Early endurance

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/IMG_2071.JPG
Endurance layout

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/IMG_2073.JPG
Luleå driver change

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/IMG_3870.JPG
Inside the Luleå car

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/IMG_3871.JPG
Rear suspension of the Luleå car, they we're right next to us in the garage and their car is simply stunning, they also supplied us with freshly brewed swedish coffee http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/IMG_3924.JPG
Some parts of our first gear came out with the oil...

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/S1050015.JPG
Ferrari F1 car, availible to practise swift tirechanges on.

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/S1050016.JPG
Rear end of said ferrari.

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/S1050021.JPG
Delfts rolling workshop.

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/S1050023.JPG
More endurance

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/S1050025.JPG
One of the officials car

http://www.luracing.m.lth.se/FS2007/resize/S1050027.JPG
Same car

[HoggyN]

We didn't share accomodation with Akron, as camped with the rest of the crazies in the mud of the areas around Silverstone. Not too sure if I'd go for that again there...just more of a hassle than it's worth.

Hi BJ

You're only sore because you pitched your tent next to a bullfrog. Life was much more civilised inside the 70's retro-camper. If you come over next year call me and I'll get you one too. A 100 quid should sort it.

Howard

[C.Zinke]

The grip on track was amazing. We achieved 1,75g lateral acceleration in the apex of corners. I think it is not wrong to keep that in mind for the next car's design process.

I attached a screenshot of our logged data. Y: lateral acceleration in g, X: time in milliseconds. The data show one corner with braking until the apex an accelerating after the apex

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/16/latacceljn7.jpg
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8103/lr07insilverstonedx0.jpg

[Spaxa]

Hi everybody

are there anywhere the fastest laptimes of every team of the FS Endurance on Sunday.

Thanks

Günni

[HA11S]

Hi Fyhr,
Thank you for nice pics.

I envy this very motor-sports minded competition compared to FSAE Japan;famous circuit, Ferrari, etc..

FYI car No.24 is Sophia University from Japan.
They won FSAE Japan 2006.

[drivetrainUW-Platt]

Sick, just sick....

Thats a sweet looking track setup, no gravel pit area, and an F1 car you can play with, dang!

[flavorPacket]

the track was unbelievable. as others have said the grip was unlike anything we've ever run on, (including several proving grounds). The best part for me was the garages, where unlike at East where we were on gravel you can actually setup the car.

[JuicedH22]

Yea, the facility was AMAZING. For me the coolest part, was knowing that I was working on and setting up our race car in the EXACT same paddock bays that professional race teams (including F1 teams) have and still do.

[BrunoC]

Congrat to RMIT and all the other team. The finish was close. There was a lot of competitive car. Hope everyone has enjoyed the facility. My best part of the competition is to be able to see the track from the stand. I would like to thanks TU fast for there help over the week end with the CO2 bottle and other little thing and also TU Delft for there welding machine.

Bruno Côté
ETS Member

[repeatoffender]

where are the friggin pictures???????

[N.Tsuji]

I have found some pictures from Helsinki guys' web site.
http://www.formula.stadia.fi/FS2007/album/index.html
Thank you Helsinki guys!

[colin s]

Im sure plenty other people will too, but we'd like to say a BIG thank you to the guys at Delft. Without their machining facilities we'd have been totally screwed, plus those guys are good chat over a beer!
Anyway, thanks again guys, see you next year.

[Nitesh]

hey, what happened?? people used to post tons of pics..this time only a handful are there!!

Couldn't make it to the comp this year and desparately want to see more pics http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[mok]

Here are a few pictures out of our cameras:

http://www.rennteam-stuttgart.de/images/gallery2/v/events/fs2007/

[RacingManiac]

alright...my album from the dynamic days is up...

http://supercarfreak.net/gallery/album642

as usual, if anyone wants them for their school give me a shout and I'll give you the full size pic...

[ss_collins]

report by me as always in the September issue of Racecar Engineering...

Not as controversial as in the past - dunno why - just felt like doing it differently.

One thing jumped out at me - why does nobody make a proper wiring loom - most cars were horrific...

[RacingManiac]

here is sam doing his usual journalist bit....

http://supercarfreak.net/gallery/album642/TeamDynamic015

[JuicedH22]

Originally posted by ss_collins:

One thing jumped out at me - why does nobody make a proper wiring loom - most cars were horrific...

what? You obviously didn't see our wiring. Which is probably because its wired so well you really cant see many wires http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[ad]

Originally posted by ss_collins:
One thing jumped out at me - why does nobody make a proper wiring loom - most cars were horrific...

probably because its done by a mechie

[Chris_S]

Just uploaded some photos, reached my upload limit on FlickR, so you'll have to wait for the rest.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37704725@N00/sets/72157601080535510/

[MH]

On behalf of the Delft team I would like to say thanks for all the kind words. To be honest, none of the big ass truck, power generator and machines would have been possible without our sponsors. We are just glad we didn't need it too much.
Besides, we like to beat all the teams on the track while driving and not see them broken down in the pits. I guess this really summarizes the spirit of the competition. We are all there to learn something and lending a helping hand is part of that. I'm sure all other teams would do the same for us.

As for our 2nd place overall behind RMIT (big congrats to them), we were all just amazed. Especially considering some of the issues we've had during the preparation for the competition. But a lot of guys (not me, I'm just a driver http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) have worked really hard and managed to resolve everything, just in time for the enduro.

Thanks to all those teams who made this a special comp and party. I'm not going to mention all the names, but you guys know who you are http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
See you in FS Germany!

MH
Delft University of Technology

[ss_collins]

that pic posted above of me - I'm pretty sure the opposite pic of the Toronto car (by the way nice job... again) made it into print.

When I get the chance I'm going to muck around and do a web version and some extra bit but our website s poor right now so it may take a while.

Regards wiring - not just me that thought that - the judges did too!

Re the cinci car - I can't remember think of it having a good loom but then I cant remember seeing a bad one either.

Though please don't look at my racecar at the moment if you happen to see me out to play, just trying a new data system and still using the stock (HUGE) loom.

[ben]

Originally posted by ss_collins:

Not as controversial as in the past - dunno why - just felt like doing it differently.


Still the same problem as your previous articles though IMHO.

Take for instance the photo of the Japanese team with the aluminium spaceframe in the main news section and the Indian team with the completely unfinished car with the illegal 4WS.

Can you explain the thought process by which 1 page in total of an expensive magazine was spent on these poor examples at the expense of the many brilliant examples of engineering elsewhere in the competition?

If you care about the events image you might want to think a bit more about how your publication influences the opinion of people in the industry. If you print images of crap cars what reaction do you think they'll have. For the space you devote there are plenty of good cars you good have shown.

Your articles seem obsessed (once again) about innovation for innovation's sake regardless of whether it's appropriate for the competition or implimented well.

Having said that William C. Mitchell's article on FSE and FSAE-West was excellent and made many more interesting points about the development direction of many teams.

I do agree with you on wiring looms though.

Regards,

Ben

[RiNaZ]

Have anyone seen the FSAE article on Popular Science Magazine? No technical comment here, but i really like the layout and the graphic. I really hope RCE is paying a lot of attention to Popular Science mag and be as fun to read as PopSci.

[Adam Zemke]

Originally posted by RiNaZ:
Have anyone seen the FSAE article on Popular Science Magazine? No technical comment here, but i really like the layout and the graphic. I really hope RCE is paying a lot of attention to Popular Science mag and be as fun to read as PopSci.

I saw the article yesterday. I must say that it was one of the (if not the) largest articles about the competition, complete with some great pictures and commentary about a variety of teams. Nice to see another publication take more than just a glance at the event we know and love.

[Big Bird]

Ben,

I haven't seen the RCE article yet, so can't comment directly. Agreed that good engineering needs to be brought to the fore - but also I can see the merit in giving newcomers a bit of encouragement. I would hate to be reading the same info about the same teams year after year.

Having said that, I do hope some coverage was given to the better performing teams too. I know when we were last there in 04, we were rapt to have been successful with a bit of an unorthodox design concept, and were really looking forward to seeing what the press had to say. But when RCE came out we were really disappointed to see that the FSUK review comprised around one line reporting our win - followed by a page of criticism aimed at the UK university system. I know that England is traditional home of motorsport, but the magazine is a global one.

Like everyone else, press clippings are vitally important to us when we approach sponsors, so we all benefit when there is a balanced coverage of the various competing teams.

Cheers all, and thanks Sam for your continued support.

[RacingManiac]

Originally posted by Big Bird:
.... But when RCE came out we were really disappointed to see that the FSUK review comprised around one line reporting our win - followed by a page of criticism aimed at the UK university system. I know that England is traditional home of motorsport, but the magazine is a global one.
....


Yeah I definitely remember that article well...lol

Despite being quite fortunete to have won Formula Student UK 3 times, I think all of the mention for us in the RCE is probably less than 50 words combined all 3 years. We did make the pages in RCE a few times in pictures though.

[ss_collins]

Err... yup you got me there - just looked back over that one and the RMIT car really shoulda had more on it as it was so unconventional. Toronto - yup need to do your car a bit more too.

I have to say though this year the car that I wanted to do more on was Bayreuth - some really nice ideas in it and four seperate judges pointed out that car to me. The other cars people talked a lot about were Graz (of course), Brunel - didn't take any pics of it - my bad and RMIT (for building a proper little racing car).

The problem is every year I have to fight for space for the FSAE events, though its a fight I'm winning - I am dissapointed that since I left haymarket both motorsport news and Autosport have dropped coverage of the event, race tech also seems to have forgotten about it.

Problem I have is - if I write about the top cars every time - t would be the RMIT/Toronto/Brookes/Graz/Delft etc... show.

And of course ETS - who I''m sure had the same car last year (just changed tyres)!!!

next year I'm going to try and integrate the reports from the three events and look over the best cars in the world(Germany is a month later - 2 pages). I tried to compare things this year - skidpad / weight / accel but I want to get more of that next year. Opinions?

[Corey H]

Hey I heard from a friend that there were some pics of the U of Arizona mohawks and I was wondering what month this issue came out in. Thanks!!

[ben]

Originally posted by ss_collins:

I am dissapointed that since I left haymarket both motorsport news and Autosport have dropped coverage of the event, race tech also seems to have forgotten about it.

Like I said, do you think posting lots of pics of mediocre cars as opposed to the good ones makes Autosport more or less likely to care about the event?...

If all they see is pics in RCE of unfinished Class 2 cars with "innovative" features, what is the editor of Autosport likely to think?

Ben

[fade]

must be tradition, back when i subscribed i recall seeing pics of UCLANs sidewinder concept in several issues.

[ben]

Like I said there's an interest in innovation for the sake of innovation in all the reports onn the UK event.

William C. Mitchell's report on the US comps was better because it identified precisely the way the competition has gone, which is to have similar designs each year with better management, testing and optimisation work scoring these teams the points.

This is important for two reasons:

1 - you ain't going to do a decent optimised concept in a single year without a very high level of resources that most teams don't have.

2 - The optimisation of an existing concept is 99% on most engineering work in the real world. It appears to need pointing out that this competition is about training engineers not creating innovative vehicle concepts.

Regards,

Ben

[Mike Hart]

Just came accross this on YouTube from HondaTV:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQeOUYRVGaw

Nice to see a well produced documentary video on FS http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[RacingManiac]

hey that could've been me in the end with the UofT car on my botched accel run....lol