CAD models of any single cylinder engine

[maz]

Does anyone have any cad models of any of the 450 c.c. engines from yamaha, honda, suzuki, kawasaki, ktm (or anyone else)? And/or does anyone have cad files of the bigger singles:- ktm 530, ktm 590, husaberg? any other singles?

I'm in the fesability stage of a motorcycle design study at Pratt Institute in new york. Have very limited resources and am working solo - i can't buy an engine.

So if anybody could help it wouldmake a big difference - and its for a motorcycle not a car so no conflict of interest.

Any help would be MUCH appreciated!

[maz]

Does anyone have any cad models of any of the 450 c.c. engines from yamaha, honda, suzuki, kawasaki, ktm (or anyone else)? And/or does anyone have cad files of the bigger singles:- ktm 530, ktm 590, husaberg? any other singles?

I'm in the fesability stage of a motorcycle design study at Pratt Institute in new york. Have very limited resources and am working solo - i can't buy an engine.

So if anybody could help it wouldmake a big difference - and its for a motorcycle not a car so no conflict of interest.

Any help would be MUCH appreciated!

[mrityunjaybit]

please send me the cad models of yamaha r6 engine and honda cbr engine urgently.my email id is mrityunjaybit@gmail.com

[PatClarke]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">please send me the cad models of yamaha r6 engine and honda cbr engine urgently.my email id is mrityunjaybit@gmail.com </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why?

Pat

[Chris Lane]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mrityunjaybit:
please send me the cad models of yamaha r6 engine and honda cbr engine urgently.my email id is mrityunjaybit@gmail.com </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Google it. There are models floating all over the internet.

Don't expect someone else to do such a simple task for you.

Maz: Talk to a team that use a single cylinder engine, like RMIT in Melbourne.

[TMichaels]

@mrityunjaybit:

Your post is very impolite. I think nobody will answer your requests, if you go on like this.

[SR910]

Did you have any success finding the WR450 model? I'm interested as we want to place an order for one of these motors but lead time is 3-4 months, time we really don't have if we don't have an accurate model.

I have e-mailed RMIT I will see if they can help me out http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cheers
Alex
UniSA FSAE 08
srt910@gmail.com

[Nick.Jayjock]

First I know this isn't a new thread but it is on the topic i need. (I used the "search" feature, its amazing how it works)

Did anyone have any luck finding models for a single cylinder? We are looking to goto a single cylinder and I could only find a 2d profile of a Honda 450.

If someone can point me to one that would be great.

[Grant Mahler]

Do what EVERY other successful team has done: go to a dealership and MEASURE it. These are not complicated things, and the board gets requests like this all too frequently from people too lazy to go do one of the simplest tasks towards this competition.

[Nick.Jayjock]

Sounds like a good idea. Going to a dealer is easier said than done. Also the data has been found time and time again so it should be readily available. If you told everyone to do something on there own this forum wouldn't exist.

But as far as being a simple task why isn't it a simple task to just point someone in the right direction for a model. Most of the time I find what I'm looking for on this forum, however this time is different. If this were such a frequent request I would have found what I was looking for.

Thanks, but no thanks.

[MalcolmG]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Grant Mahler:
Do what EVERY other successful team has done: go to a dealership and MEASURE it. These are not complicated things, and the board gets requests like this all too frequently from people too lazy to go do one of the simplest tasks towards this competition. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have to disagree with this. Designing a car around a set of measurements you can take off an engine that is still mounted in a frame would be a ridiculous idea (in most cases), and I would strongly disagree that "every successful team" has done that.

For the past few year's we've always worked with a very detailed model, created through 3D scanning, or combinations of 2D scanning and lots of measuring on a disassembled engine. I would not be confident to design a car around measurements taken of a motor in a bike at a dealer, unless you're planning to leave big gaps around your engine to add a safety factor.

[Benn]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MalcolmG:
I have to disagree with this. Designing a car around a set of measurements you can take off an engine that is still mounted in a frame would be a ridiculous idea (in most cases), and I would strongly disagree that "every successful team" has done that.

For the past few year's we've always worked with a very detailed model, created through 3D scanning, or combinations of 2D scanning and lots of measuring on a disassembled engine. I would not be confident to design a car around measurements taken of a motor in a bike at a dealer, unless you're planning to leave big gaps around your engine to add a safety factor. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you missed the point. I don't think they are at that stage of their design yet.

[Grant Mahler]

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I think you missed the point. I don't think they are at that stage of their design yet. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bingo.

MalcolmG - I bet your team spent lots of time building that model. Why on earth would you give away something so valuable to a team that hasn't put the first bit of effort into their own model? That's my main point. People expect things for free on here. I think this forum should be a source for discussion, and not a place for people who want something done for them to come ask for things.

[MalcolmG]

haha, I feel like we're starting to touch on somne philosophical stuff now (teach a man to fish...) and I'm not sure which side I'm on. Certainly, there are some areas where people need to do work themselves so that they will understand what's going on, and so that they can learn from the experience.

Some areas, however, it seems more like it's just a case not wanting others to have benefits which you didn't have yourself. Sharing of CAD models seems like a good way for teams to be able to look at different concepts easily, and it seems like everyone benefits from it, especially teams who struggle more for resources (in terms of available man-hours, finances, and access to equipment).

[Nick.Jayjock]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I think you missed the point. I don't think they are at that stage of their design yet. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I will agree with you there. We really aren't. I am spending most of my time working on suspension/roll rates and was wanting a simple model of single cyl. to help me with some other quick calculations. I've gotten what I needed done, but still having a model for quick reference would be very nice. (not having access to scanning equipment right now to do all that work is a hinderence and in no way do I feel comfortable modeling an engine on my own.)
The big problem is we are at the stage of a first year team that happened to have a garage and a bunch of old formula car parts lying around. So its been a struggle.

[Drew Price]

Nick,

Shoot me an e-mail.

drewpprice at gmailzzzzz

I have a nice simple one you can monkey with, no guarantees though.

It's the Suzuki <STRIKE>WR</STRIKE> LT-R450 if it makes a difference, but they're all similar in footprint, very different in mounting scheme.

And only choose to feed rear suspension loads into it if you genuinely believe you know what you're doing.....

Best,
Drew

[dazz]

Drew,
A Suzuki WR? I'm guessing you either mean Suzuki DR400(Z) or the Yamaha WR400/426/450. (Husky also have a WR range, but are 2-strokes)

Sorry for nit-pick http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Darren.

[Drew Price]

Jesus. I must not have had my coffee yet, I meant the Suzuki LT-R450.

The WR is of course from our friends at Honda.

Best,
Drew

[dazz]

Sorry Drew, Honda make the CR-F... Yamaha has the WR (& Husky in 2-strokes) lol.

I wonder how much an old XR600 (Honda http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) could be tweaked and lightened up. Absolutely bullet proof rep, plenty of hot-up parts available, and no radiators and coolant to worry with. Bit of clever carbon ducting should take care of cooling? Getting it light enough would be the hassle I suspect. (and availability of the old girls)