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VFR750R
06-19-2005, 12:15 PM
Holy cow, F1 race ruined by lack of compromise with Michelin tires. Unbelieveable.
Right now I see 4 pts up for grabs to the team that goes out and does a couple parade laps, I wonder if any team will bite.

VFR750R
06-19-2005, 12:15 PM
Holy cow, F1 race ruined by lack of compromise with Michelin tires. Unbelieveable.
Right now I see 4 pts up for grabs to the team that goes out and does a couple parade laps, I wonder if any team will bite.

Greg
06-19-2005, 12:25 PM
I feel so bad for all the people at the race, only 6 cars decided to go out and race . . . wow.

"Michelin have already written to the FIA asking for (a chicane to slow the cars down at one point), after deciding that the tyres they qualified with are not safe to run 73 laps of the high-speed banking. The request was refused."

so all but 6 cars quit.

All I can say is damn.

Greg Oden

syoung
06-19-2005, 12:51 PM
Incredible, unbelieveable the extent to which politics gets in the way of common sense. A shame in many ways that Jordan and Minardi decided to race at the last minute.

Incidentally, a car has to complete 90% of race distance to be awarded points.

CMURacing - Prometheus
06-19-2005, 12:58 PM
i agree, a shame that jordan and minardi (and ferrari on their high horse) went out to race. without them, the race would probably have been stopped and/or a chicane added.

Greg
06-19-2005, 01:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CMURacing - Prometheus:
i agree, a shame that jordan and minardi (and ferrari on their high horse) went out to race. without them, the race would probably have been stopped and/or a chicane added. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know, it is a good way for Jordan and Minardi to ensure that they will actually get points this season. :P

Greg

Tommo
06-19-2005, 02:19 PM
What a schimozzle

The FIA really needs to take a tumble to themselves

PS: If anyone on this forum was involved with throwing full beer cans at Ferraris, you missed, damn

Matt Gignac
06-19-2005, 02:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CMURacing - Prometheus:
i agree, a shame that jordan and minardi (and ferrari on their high horse) went out to race. without them, the race would probably have been stopped and/or a chicane added. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

From what I've read, it was only Ferrari that was opposed to the addition of a chicane, and that Minardi only went out to race in response to Jordan doing so. I doubt that the FIA would have caved to any request made by the teams (especially with Ferrari not going along, but that's a whole other discussion), even if they were unanimous in approving the course change. Seems to me that they are too interested in running things "by the book" and for the insurance companies as opposed to what would be best for the sport and the show.

Oh well

Papa Lemming
06-19-2005, 02:42 PM
Definitely a shame. I'd say bye bye to the USGP. This will hurt a lot F1's reputation in the US, and it looks lousy PR-wise for Michelin.

Blame, I think, lies mostly on Michelin though the FIA knew what it was getting into.

The FIA is not to blame for the teams' (in this case, a tire manufacturer's) mistakes; it is not the authorities' fault that the Michelin tires could not run the 73 laps safely. And it is definitely not Ferrari's, Jordan's or Minardi's fault. They had their perfectly working tires and they had all the right to run the race as is, knowing that it would look, of course, dirty.

On the other hand, the FIA knew it was getting knee deep in shit when not complying with any of Michelin's requests. I can understand the denial of the chicane request. The most reasonable thing would have been, in my opinion, to allow Michelin to ship new tires from France, and penalize Michelin teams accordingly. Even though that's a violation of the current rules, we all know that the authorities do whatever they want with the rules when it suits them.

Too bad. This was a tug o' war where everybody lost.

VFR750R
06-19-2005, 03:11 PM
They said on TV that Michelin had the tires there to fix the problem but the FIA wouldn't let them run em.
I think that ferrari and Bridgestone probably don't feel bad at all after Micheal pulled out of a race earlier this season with a tire blowup.

Dan G
06-19-2005, 07:32 PM
One option for the michelin teams would have been to self-impose a limit of 3/4 speed on turn 13 or whatever would've been "safe". Sure they'd be way off pace, but they'd probably knock a Ferrari or two into the wall in the process, so things might not have ended all that bad. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I realize they had to make a stand about the severity of their safety issue though, and letting off for the banked corner could have introduced even more safety issues.

Really just a shame though, it seemed like F1 was finally gaining some popularity in the US. But its not like I'm going to stop watching just because all this happened at Indy. Next year they'll either revise their tire design, or put in a chicane, or both, or neither.

Dan G
06-19-2005, 08:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">For Sale:

14 complete sets of Michelin race rubber. Only driven ~5 km. Rated to almost 400 kph, unless you're on a banked turn because they'll self destruct. Can be picked up in Indianapolis, IN. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Haha. Maybe now Pilot Sports won't be $300 a piece or whatever outrageous price they charge.

Maybe next year they'll all be on Avons or Khumos!

Eddie Martin
06-19-2005, 10:18 PM
I can't believe that the politics have got this bad in F1 that they can't even put on a race for the fans that have paid good money to watch the cars. All the people involved need to remember that the fans are the only reason that F1 is what it is.

Michelin are most to blame but it is everybody's responsibility to put on a show, the FIA, the teams, Ferrari, GPDA, tyre manufactures, race promoters, everyone. I think there will be about 10 people in the crowd at Indy next year.

They say there wasn't a solution, well i remember after the senna accident tyre barrier chicanes appeared at Barcelona and another temporary chicane in Canada.

Mark Bacchetti
06-19-2005, 10:42 PM
Here is part of a letter sent from the FIA in response to Michelin's original request (as posted in http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press_Releases/FIA_Sport.../June/190605-02.html (http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press_Releases/FIA_Sport/2005/June/190605-02.html)).

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Another possibility would be for the relevant teams repeatedly to change the affected tyre during the race (we understand you have told your teams the left rear is safe for a maximum of ten laps at full speed). If the technical delegate and the stewards were satisfied that each change was made because the tyre would otherwise fail (thus for genuine safety reasons) and that the relevant team were not gaining an advantage, there would be no penalty. If this meant using tyres additional to a teams' allocation, the stewards would consider all the circumstances in deciding what penalty, if any, to apply. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Michelin teams had an option to run the race. The teams could of slowed down a bit and changed there rear left tire more often. At the least, the fans would of seen cars on the track racing. The Michelin teams were making a stand against the FIA when coming in to the pits.

Too bad neither side could make a compromise. In the end the fans got screwed. Talk about a set back for American F1.

Mark
Cal Poly Pomona [03,04]

Dr Claw
06-19-2005, 10:49 PM
yea, i am one of the few people thats ever seen a jordan podium live and in person http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif. it sucks now, but one day it'll be a good story to tell... i took some good pics though, any good recomendations on posting them? i also got good videos too http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

syoung
06-20-2005, 03:01 AM
Michelin's fault, sure, but everybody's problem and a lot of people were only too happy to stand by their political arguments and let the race collapse in misery.

Michelin was completely unable to recommend a particular 'safe' speed for Turn 13, or maximum number of laps, as they simply didn't have the data. Ralf Schumacher's tyre exploded without warning on his first flying lap on Friday; Zonta's on his second. Other teams' tyres showed signs of serious stress after only a few laps. How do you derive a particular safe loading, even for a given tyre pressure/suspension geometry/etc., based only on that kind of empirical data? Even with enough tyres to change every 10 laps (nobody has that many left rear tyres), there'd be no guarantee of them lasting.

Besides, imagine Raikkonen and Alonso nose-to-tail towards turn 13 - are they both going to lift off by the same amount into the turn and get back on the power at the same point? Every lap? It would quickly degenerate into full-speed racing with people getting hurt.

I'm surprised more hasn't been made of the new surface on the oval section. The IRL cars were apparently struggling for grip last month on the resurfaced oval track, so the circuit owners had the tarmac diamond-cut for extra abrasiveness. Bridgestone of course, through Firestone, had access to data on the properties of the new surface a few weeks before the F1 circus came to town. It's interesting that Schumacher said they had to use the more conservative of their two types of Bridgestones, even despite this prior knowledge. (Incidentally, to counter one of Max Mosley's outright lies, Michelin did bring two types of tyre to the US: they were of different compounds but the same construction.)

The Michelin teams tried all sorts of compromises, including letting the Bridgestone teams start from the front, making the race a non-championship one, and even volunteering not to score points at all for the sake of the show, as long as a chicane was installed to allow them to drive safely. All of these requests were turned down by the FIA, and Ferrari failed to join all of the other teams in pressing the FIA to adopt a viable solution. For the FIA and Ferrari to represent the problem as purely a performance issue for Michelin (rather than one of safety) is disgraceful in the light of all the regulations Max Mosley has rushed through at the last minute under the guise of safety.

I was also pretty appalled that Ferrari management put a stop to what might have been a mildly interesting last 20 laps - Rubens was told over the radio to hold station and not overtake Schumacher. Can't recall that happening in Monaco.

fade
06-20-2005, 07:02 AM
i think i'll start watching "professional" wrestling from now on. they use real folding chairs........

CMURacing - Prometheus
06-20-2005, 02:23 PM
the point I was getting at was that if Ferrari had gone in with the original request for a chicane, Ecclestone and his cronies may have been more likely to consider it.

If Jordan, Minardi, and Ferrari had then pulled into the pits with the Michelin teams, the FIA would have been in deeper trouble, and there probably would have been a fan riot. Not a smart solution, but the teams would have made their point.

You can't fault Michelin's drivers, or their teams, nor should you penalize them (as they effectively were) for the tire manufacturer stepping in in the name of safety.

Personally, I would have pulled into the pits off the formation lap, run the new Michelin tires, and sent the old ones to the FIA, as per the new rules, since there was a "serious safety problem"...sounds like its within the rules to me.

Neil S
06-20-2005, 02:45 PM
FIA said they could change the tires, but with severe penalties; so as not to encourage any team to start switching tires between qualifying and race. They never mentioned what the penalties would be, only said that they would not be removed from the race for doing so.

Mike McNulty
06-20-2005, 03:13 PM
I dont think that the FIA should have done anything to change the track. The track layout is set before the race starts and should never be changed mid-weekend. Michelin is to blame for this as they not only were unable to provide a safe functioning tire to its teams,they did not even have a suitable carcass that would be safe on the banked corner. Why should Ferrari, Minardi or Jordan have to agree to any compromises to allow the Michelin teams to be on a level playing field.

While it is terrible for all the fans at Indy, I can't see any way that any of Bridgestone runners should be penalized for having superior equipment for the given track within the FIA rules. However, FIA should have done something to make sure that all the teams raced to put on a show for the fans. The first thing that came to my mind would be to limit the speed around the back straight but give an additional time per to the michelin cars as they were unable to run at full speed. This effectivly puts them at a insurmountable disadvantage and ensures that Ferrari would place 1,2 (which is all they care about ever) yet the fans would have been entertained, which in the end is what matters.

Mike

Dan G
06-20-2005, 04:02 PM
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D J Yates
06-20-2005, 06:05 PM
The race sucked and what follows is going to be just as bad. But come on, it could have been much worse. If the race had started with drivers who were unsure of there tyres, someone would have got hurt. At 200mph a lack of commitment and confidence would be dangerous, regardless of the tyres. At least be thankful that no one was hurt as the result of tyre failure and that all the teams, drivers and spectators will be alive for the next race.

The other Bridgestone teams don't even come into the equation. The top responsability of the teams is to there staff (and so the michelin teams were right to pull the cars on safty grounds) but after that, there reponsability is to their sponsors and creditors, the very people who provide the money to put the teams on the grid. It's wrong that F1 is a buisness more than a sport but the result of not running a safe and leagal car could be severe wrt to budget (don't mention ferrari!)

Michelin screwed up, but they at least tried to provide a solution. The FIA didn't help ("if your not part of the solution..." you know the rest). Rules are rules, but the 2005 tyre rules were created for two reasons: to improve the racing and to cut costs. By refusing the request of Michelin, the FIA defeated both of these objectives (lost revenue, legal fees, a non-race, etc.) and have put themselves in a difficult situation. If they'd done michelin a favour and helped out they could have saved embaracement of all, got in favour with the teams (except ferrari, but they have a contract already so who cares) and swung a new deal for F1 with all the teams for years to come, but now it looks like michelin and 9/10 teams may well leave for GPWC. Whatever happened to seeing the bigger picture?

However, all that said, i'm still suprised that Michelin didn't propose the idea of the chicane before qualifying. They new they had a problem before then, else they wouldn't have sent for new tyres.

Nice post Dan. Interesting reading.

CMURacing - Prometheus
06-20-2005, 06:05 PM
on an unrelated note: http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=89804

i'd like to be her race engineer ;-)

**edit**
rather than posting twice, I'll just state agreement with DJ here. the only problem the FIA saw (from the reading provided by Dan) was the setting of a precedent that could allow tire changes between qualifying and the race. but that could easily be handled with a "no performance gain" clause in the agreement, and making it clear there was a safety issue.

raska
06-20-2005, 06:43 PM
And of course the mandatory USGP class action lawsuit: http://www.kgrlaw.com/news/f1.pdf

Fergus Wilson
06-21-2005, 07:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raska:
And of course the mandatory USGP class action lawsuit: http://www.kgrlaw.com/news/f1.pdf </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've got exams tomorrow and I'm procrastinating - so for those who didn't read all 82 pages of the above, here's a summary.

Claim 1 - the FIA, F1, and IMS breached their agreements with ticketholders to provide a race, claiming it was not a race at all. They refer to Schumachers failure to celebrate, the rules regarding the no of participants and imply it was a conspiracy to declare it as a race so they wouldn't have to refund money.

Claim 2 - against michelin - that the goods sold were not fit for the purpose and that "it was reasonable to expect" that ticketholders would suffer as a result. The claim is based on ticket holders being "3rd party beneficiaries" of the provision of tyres.

Claim 3 - against michelin - That michelin failed to exercise reasonable care in selecting and providing tyres to the teams

Claim 4 - that the agreement and declaration that it was a race was a conspiracy to prevent refunds

Claim 5 - That the FIA, F1 and IMS has profited from the ticket sales, and allowing them to keep the money would be unjust.

Letters to and from Michelin and the F1 rules are included as exhibits.

So - anyone want to take bets on the outcome?

Neil S
06-21-2005, 07:36 AM
I would bet that he loses, however if he were to have made the claim in California, he could have easily won.

Dan G
06-21-2005, 08:18 AM
New letter from FIA to the teams...

http://www.fia.com/resources/documents/1962994930__21_06_2005_wmsc_letters.pdf

Should be fun!

John Bucknell
06-22-2005, 09:16 PM
An interesting letter from Paul Stoddard (owner of Minardi):

Stoddart: Politics to Blame for Fiasco
By Jonathan Noble
Wednesday, 22 June 2005 11:16


Minardi boss Paul Stoddart believes that political battles in Formula One that have now turned personal were a major contributing factor to the United States Grand Prix fiasco last weekend.

In a lengthy statement issued on his behalf on Wednesday, Stoddart claimed that disputes between the teams and FIA president Max Mosley were now overshadowing the sport and played a major part in the turn of events that led to the Michelin teams pulling out of last weekend's race.

"For those who have not followed the recent political developments in Formula One, it is fair to say that, for over a year now, the majority of teams have felt at odds with the actions of the FIA and its President, Max Mosley, concerning the regulations, and the way in which those regulations have been introduced, or are proposed to be introduced," said Stoddart.

"Not a weekend has gone by where some, or all, of the teams are not discussing or disputing these regulations. This is so much the case that it is common knowledge the manufacturers have proposed their own series commencing January 1, 2008, and this is supported by at least two of the independent teams.

"The general perception is that, in many instances, these issues have become personal, and it is my opinion that was a serious contributory factor to the failure to find a solution that would have allowed all 20 cars to compete in Sunday's United States Grand Prix."

After detailing at length the way the weekend turned out, Stoddart has re-iterated his belief that Mosley was the key figure who prevented the race taking place - and once again has called on him to resign.

"It is important for people to realise that Minardi, the seven Michelin teams, Bernie Ecclestone, and the promoters did not agree with Mr Mosley's tactics," added Stoddart.

"For the reasons previously outlined, it may take some considerable time, if ever, for this to be admitted, but there is no question in my mind that the farce that occurred on Sunday, June 19, 2005 at Indianapolis was the responsibility of the FIA President, Max Mosley, and compounded by the lack of support from Jean Todt.

"For the avoidance of doubt, in my opinion, Michelin was responsible enough to admit that the problem was of their creation. When one considers that even the replacement, Barcelona-specification tyres that were shipped to IMS, when tested, apparently exhibited the same characteristics as those that originally failed, this clearly is a case of force majeure, as I do not for a moment believe that Michelin intentionally brought tyres to the event that were unsuitable for competition.

"Far more importantly, however, Mosley refused to accept any of the solutions offered, and that refusal was, I believe, politically motivated. Therefore, I feel he failed in his duty, and that is why I have called for his resignation.

"Much discussion and debate will undoubtedly take place over the coming weeks and months, but I believe this is a truthful and honest account of the facts, and not the fiction, surrounding the responsibility for this FIAsco. People can now make up their own minds!"

Full Letter from Paul Stoddart

Much has been said about the farce that occurred on Sunday, June 19, in Indianapolis, and I feel that in the interests of transparency, it would be worthwhile for someone who was actually present, and participated in the discussions leading up to the start of the Grand Prix, to provide a truthful account of what took place, both for the 100,000-plus fans who were present, and for the hundreds of millions of people watching on television around the world.

While this is a genuine attempt to provide a factual timeline of the relevant events that took place, should any minor detail or sequence be disputed, it will not, in my opinion, affect in any way this account of events that led up to arguably the most damaging spectacle in the recent history of Formula One.

Background

For those who have not followed the recent political developments in Formula One, it is fair to say that, for over a year now, the majority of teams have felt at odds with the actions of the FIA and its President, Max Mosley, concerning the regulations, and the way in which those regulations have been introduced, or are proposed to be introduced. Not a weekend has gone by where some, or all, of the teams are not discussing or disputing these regulations. This is so much the case that it is common knowledge the manufacturers have proposed their own series commencing January 1, 2008, and this is supported by at least two of the independent teams. The general perception is that, in many instances, these issues have become personal, and it is my opinion that was a serious contributory factor to the failure to find a solution that would have allowed all 20 cars to compete in Sunday's United States Grand Prix.

The Facts

Friday, June 17

I noticed that Ricardo Zonta's Toyota had stopped, but in all honesty, did not pay any attention to the reasons why; however, I actually witnessed Ralf Schumacher's accident, both on the monitors, and more significantly, I could see what took place from my position on the pit wall. This necessitated a red flag, and in the numerous replays on the monitors, it looked very much like the cause of the accident was a punctured rear tyre.

Throughout the afternoon, numerous people in the paddock suggested it was a tyre failure and commented that it was similar to the serious accident which befell Ralf Schumacher during the 2004 US Grand Prix. Later that evening was the first time I was aware of a potential problem with the Michelin tyres at this event. In all honesty, I didn't pay a great deal of attention, as our team is on Bridgestone tyres.

Saturday, June 18

On arriving at the circuit, the word throughout the paddock was that there was a potential problem with the rear tyres supplied to all Michelin teams for this event, and it became evident as the first and second sessions were run that most of the affected teams were being very conservative with the amount of on-track running they were doing. In addition, Toyota announced that it had substituted Ricardo Zonta for Ralf Schumacher, who would take no further part in the event. Speculation was rife in the paddock that some Michelin teams might not take part in qualifying. Also, during the practice session, I was informed there would be a Team Principals' meeting with Bernie Ecclestone at 1430 hrs after qualifying, which I incorrectly assumed would centre around the Michelin issue.

Qualifying took place, and indeed, all 20 cars qualified for Sunday's Grand Prix.

At approximately 1420 hrs, I attended Bernie's office, and with representatives present from all other teams, including Ferrari, the meeting commenced. Surprisingly, the main topic of conversation was the number of events and calendar for 2006, followed by a suggestion that a meeting be convened at the next Grand Prix to discuss two issues only – firstly, a proposal for a single-tyre supplier in Formula One, and secondly, whether or not it would be desirable to qualify with or without a race fuel load in 2006. Only at the very end of the meeting did the Michelin tyre issue arise, and in fairness, it was not discussed in any great detail. I personally found this strange, but as I have stated, it did not affect Minardi directly, and therefore I had no reason to pursue the matter.

Throughout Saturday evening, there was considerable speculation in the paddock that the tyre issue was much more serious than at first thought, and people were talking about a fresh shipment of tyres being flown overnight from France, and what penalty the Michelin teams would take should those tyres be used. By the time I left the paddock, people were taking bets on Minardi and Jordan scoring points!

Later that evening, I checked with our Sporting Director on what developments had occurred, and was told that the issue was indeed very serious, and the possibility existed that the Michelin teams would not take part in the race.

Sunday, June 19

I arrived at the circuit at 0815 hrs, only to find the paddock was buzzing with stories suggesting the Michelin teams would be unable to take part in the Grand Prix. I was then handed a copy of correspondence between Michelin, the FIA, and the Michelin teams that revealed the true extent of the problem. By now, journalists were asking if Minardi would agree to a variation of the regulations to allow the Michelin teams to compete, and what penalties I felt would be appropriate.

A planned Minardi press briefing took place at 0930 hrs, and as it was ending, I was summoned to an urgent meeting, along with Jordan, with Bernie Ecclestone, the two most senior Michelin representatives present at the circuit, IMS President Tony George, Team Principals, and technical representatives from the Michelin teams. At this meeting, Michelin, to its credit, admitted that the tyres available were unable to complete a race distance around the Indianapolis circuit without a change to the track configuration, so as to reduce the speed coming out of the last turn onto the banking. Much background information was provided as to the enormous efforts that Michelin, with support from its teams, had undertaken in the preceding 48 hours to try and resolve the problem, but it was clear that all those efforts had failed to produce a suitable solution that wouldn't involve support from the non-Michelin teams, and ultimately, the FIA.

What was requested of the Bridgestone teams was to allow a chicane to be constructed at Turn 13, which would then allow Michelin to advise their teams that, in their opinion, the tyres would be able to complete the race distance. It was made very clear that this was the only viable option available, as previous suggestions from the FIA, such as speed-limiting the Michelin cars through Turn 13, could, and probably would, give rise to a monumental accident. This idea, as well as one concerning the possibility of pit stops every 10 laps, were dismissed, and discussion returned to the only sensible solution – a chicane. During this discussion, a technical representative with specific knowledge of the Indianapolis circuit, together with representatives from IMS, were tasked with preparing the design of a chicane, and Bernie Ecclestone agreed to speak with the one Team Principal not present, Mr Todt, and to inform the FIA President, Max Mosley, who was not present at Indianapolis, of the planned solution to allow the successful running of the US Grand Prix. With only a few hours now remaining to the start of the race, we agreed to reconvene as soon as Bernie had responses from Messrs Todt and Mosley.

At approximately 1055 hrs, Bernie informed us that not only would Mr Todt not agree, stating that it was not a Ferrari problem, but an FIA and a Michelin problem, but also Mr Mosley had stated that if any attempts were made to alter the circuit, he would cancel the Grand Prix forthwith. These words had a familiar tone to me, as they were similar to those I had heard around midnight on the Friday preceding the 2005 Australian Grand Prix, when I was told by all the senior FIA representatives present that the Australian Grand Prix would be cancelled forthwith if I did not withdraw pending legal action between Minardi and the FIA. Once again, Mr Mosley was not present at that Grand Prix! It is fair to say at this point that the vast majority of people present in the room both felt and stated that Mr Mosley had completely overstepped the mark, had no idea whatsoever of the gravity of the situation, and furthermore, cared even less about the US Grand Prix, its organisers, the fans, and indeed, the hundreds of millions of television viewers around the world who were going to be affected by his intransigence.

By this time, the nine teams had discussed running a non-championship race, or a race in which the Michelin teams could not score points, and even a race whereby only the Michelin teams used the new chicane, and indeed, every other possible option that would allow 20 cars to participate and put on a show, thereby not causing the enormous damage to Formula One that all those present knew would otherwise occur.

By now, most present felt the only option was to install the chicane and race, if necessary, without Ferrari, but with 18 cars, in what would undoubtedly be a non-championship race. We discussed with Bernie the effects of the FIA withdrawing its staff, and agreed among ourselves a Race Director, a Safety Car driver, and other essential positions, and all agreed that, under the circumstances, what was of paramount importance was that the race must go ahead. All further agreed that since we would most likely be denied FIA facilities, such as scales and post-race scrutineering, every competitor would instruct his team and drivers to conduct themselves in the spirit of providing an entertaining race for the good of Formula One.

At this point, we called for all 20 drivers, and indeed, all 20 arrived, at which point we informed them of our plan. While I cannot testify that each and every driver agreed with what we were proposing, what I can say with certainty is that no driver disagreed, and indeed, members of the Grand Prix Drivers' Association discussed overseeing the construction of a suitable chicane. Jean Todt was the only significant team individual not present, and the Ferrari drivers stated this decision was up to Mr Todt.

I feel it is important to stress that, at this stage, and mindful of the total impossibility – call it force majeure if you wish – of 14 cars being able to compete in the race, the nine teams represented agreed they would not take part in the race unless a solution was found in the interests of Formula One as a global sport, as it was clear to all present that the sport, and not the politics, had to prevail if we were to avoid an impending disaster.

After a short break, we reconvened without the drivers. When I arrived in Bernie's office, Flavio Briatore was on the telephone to Mr Mosley, and it was quite clear from the body language of the others gathered in the room that Mr Mosley was having none of our suggestions. At the conclusion of the telephone call, it was obvious that many of those in the room had lost all faith in Mr Mosley and his ability to perform his function as President of the FIA in respect of Formula One matters.

I'm sure this sentence will be treated with contempt by Mr Mosley, but what must be realised is that there are various reasons that other Team Principals, and the most senior people in Formula One, will not say publicly what they openly feel privately about Mr Mosley, his politics and his governance of the sport. There is a great temptation to go into those reasons in detail, but that is for another day. Suffice to say, those gathered at Indianapolis felt Mr Mosley, and to a lesser degree, the lack of co-operation from Mr Todt, were about to be responsible for the greatest FIAsco in Formula One's recent history.

Discussions then took place concerning the other telephone calls with Mr Mosley from, among others, Bernie Ecclestone, Ron Dennis and Tony George, and it was clearly revealed to what extent Mr Mosley was prepared to go in order to achieve his aims. To my total disgust, it was stated that Mosley had informed Mr Martin, the FIA's most senior representative in the USA, that if any kind of non-championship race was run, or any alteration made to the circuit, the US Grand Prix, and indeed, all FIA-regulated motorsport in the US, would be under threat – again, exactly the same tactic that was used in threatening the Australian Grand Prix and Australian motorsport in March of this year.

By now, it was evident Mosley had bullied the US Grand Prix promoter into submission, Bernie Ecclestone was powerless to intervene, and all efforts of the Team Principals, with the exception of Jean Todt, had failed to save the 2005 US Grand Prix.

At this point, the pit lane had opened and a hasty discussion took place concerning whether or not the Michelin teams would go to the grid. A radio had been delivered to me by team personnel at this stage, and I was able to know which cars were going to the grid. It is interesting to note that the Jordan Team Principal was not present at this time, and indeed, it was the Jordans that first proceeded to the grid, followed by the Ferraris. After discussion with Bernie Ecclestone, it was agreed the Michelin teams would go to the grid, but were absolutely prevented from participating in the race because of the tyre situation.

We then proceeded to the grid, at which point I asked Jordan's Colin Kolles if he intended to stand by the other teams or participate in the race. In no uncertain terms, I was told Jordan would be racing. I was also approached by a Bridgestone representative, who informed me that Bridgestone wished us to race. This left me with one of the most difficult decisions I have had to take during my time in F1, as I did not want to race, but given my current relationship with Mr Mosley, felt certain heavy sanctions would follow if I did not. I made it clear to Bernie Ecclestone, and several Team Principals, that if the Jordans either went off or retired, I would withdraw the Minardi cars from the race.

It is important for people to realise that Minardi, the seven Michelin teams, Bernie Ecclestone, and the promoters did not agree with Mr Mosley's tactics. For the reasons previously outlined, it may take some considerable time, if ever, for this to be admitted, but there is no question in my mind that the farce that occurred on Sunday, June 19, 2005 at Indianapolis was the responsibility of the FIA President, Max Mosley, and compounded by the lack of support from Jean Todt.

For the avoidance of doubt, in my opinion, Michelin was responsible enough to admit that the problem was of their creation. When one considers that even the replacement, Barcelona-specification tyres that were shipped to IMS, when tested, apparently exhibited the same characteristics as those that originally failed, this clearly is a case of force majeure, as I do not for a moment believe that Michelin intentionally brought tyres to the event that were unsuitable for competition.

Far more importantly, however, Mosley refused to accept any of the solutions offered, and that refusal was, I believe, politically motivated. Therefore, I feel he failed in his duty, and that is why I have called for his resignation.

Much discussion and debate will undoubtedly take place over the coming weeks and months, but I believe this is a truthful and honest account of the facts, and not the fiction, surrounding the responsibility for this FIAsco. People can now make up their own minds!

Dr Claw
06-23-2005, 10:49 AM
well, i have to admit that i am more pissed now, than i was at the race...If that is an accurate account of what happened, things will get very interesting in the world of F1.

as far as bets on the outcome, all i'd want is my money back, and maybe a couple free shots at max mosley. i somehow dont think i'll get either, but at least champ car is inviting me and everyone else to their race...anybody else going to be able to make it?

Dan G
06-23-2005, 11:41 AM
I'll be there, hanging out at the DCX hospo tent.

Saturday night there's DRIFTINZZZ!1!!11!one!!!one!!1!!11!eleven!!!