Progress for 2009...

[Adam Vaughan]

Hey Everyone,

I was just wondering how other teams were progressing with the perpetually frantic rush to get everything together for FSAE Virginia and Michigan.

As for us, we're a little behind with our frame's fabrication, but the design is finalized. Our new engine is running pretty well on the dyno after an unfortunate incident that caused one of our veterans to give up the ghost. We've made some progress testing carbon suspension components but they need more verification before we're comfortable using them. We may or may not have some time to get real world numbers off our partially instrumented `08 car's suspension to aid in that design (one thing or another has gotten in the way of finishing that). Still, the suspension geometry is all there, and it just needs a final physical embodiment.

Ricardo is helping with the intake and exhaust design this year, but in many ways it makes our lives just a little more difficult than good old Helmholtz. Titanium is on the plate for our headers, but we haven't decided if it's impractical for us or not (we need to do more testing that just our initial try at it). Our electronics package (namely traction/launch control) is getting there but it definitely needs some actual solder. Sponsorship could be a little better (as always?) but it is moving along, albeit slowly. All of the other systems are on their way to finishing their design phase "soon" :-) and a handful have begun fabrication.

I realize that in an ideal world we'd be further along with manufacturing, but, as a relatively small team, there are only so many hours in the day (and night, for that matter) to get stuff done. Then there's the fact that this is only our third year. Quite a few systems weren't rigorously designed in the past (just so we got something out the door) and that makes for a limited legacy to reflect on. A wise grad student here said we're shaping up to be a pretty good R&D year, but I'm hoping we progress beyond just that.

How has everyone else been doing?

Warm regards,
Adam Vaughan
Cooper Motorsports

P.S. If you made it this far, I apologize for the long post!

[Adam Vaughan]

Hey Everyone,

I was just wondering how other teams were progressing with the perpetually frantic rush to get everything together for FSAE Virginia and Michigan.

As for us, we're a little behind with our frame's fabrication, but the design is finalized. Our new engine is running pretty well on the dyno after an unfortunate incident that caused one of our veterans to give up the ghost. We've made some progress testing carbon suspension components but they need more verification before we're comfortable using them. We may or may not have some time to get real world numbers off our partially instrumented `08 car's suspension to aid in that design (one thing or another has gotten in the way of finishing that). Still, the suspension geometry is all there, and it just needs a final physical embodiment.

Ricardo is helping with the intake and exhaust design this year, but in many ways it makes our lives just a little more difficult than good old Helmholtz. Titanium is on the plate for our headers, but we haven't decided if it's impractical for us or not (we need to do more testing that just our initial try at it). Our electronics package (namely traction/launch control) is getting there but it definitely needs some actual solder. Sponsorship could be a little better (as always?) but it is moving along, albeit slowly. All of the other systems are on their way to finishing their design phase "soon" :-) and a handful have begun fabrication.

I realize that in an ideal world we'd be further along with manufacturing, but, as a relatively small team, there are only so many hours in the day (and night, for that matter) to get stuff done. Then there's the fact that this is only our third year. Quite a few systems weren't rigorously designed in the past (just so we got something out the door) and that makes for a limited legacy to reflect on. A wise grad student here said we're shaping up to be a pretty good R&D year, but I'm hoping we progress beyond just that.

How has everyone else been doing?

Warm regards,
Adam Vaughan
Cooper Motorsports

P.S. If you made it this far, I apologize for the long post!

[Wes Johnson]

We just finished expanding and organizing our shop after getting a lot more space from the dept (who would've thought that can happen). We are planning on having our chassis and a-arms mostly done by Dec. 22nd.

Just now finalizing all the machined components design, so we should be throwing chips shortly. We are hoping to hit our deadline of the 22nd such that we can register for VIR.

Just a few more days of exams, then it's full tilt on car build until next semester...exciting.

-Wes

[Mikey Antonakakis]

Adam, good to hear you guys are doing well at Cooper.

Here at Columbia, things are going slowly, but pretty smoothly. We just managed to get the alumni association to donate money for us to purchase a dyno, which is going to be a huge benefit to our team for obvious reasons. It's a little late in the year for it, but it's worlds better than trying to get dyno time at a shop two hours from our school only to have the car refuse to run when we got there.
We too are using Ricardo WAVE for the first time, although things are going slowly in that department as well (mostly my own fault). But my personal goal is to have a few configurations nailed down by the start of next week, which I probably won't be able to accomplish, but I'll get close.

Our chassis is mostly tacked up, I think our suspension geometry is almost locked down, our upright design is finalized I think. We're not moving fast as we would have liked, but we're doing alright, at least a lot better than last year.

We (at least myself and our chief engineer) want to have better drivers this year, so we've been playing a lot of racing sims with a nice force feedback wheel, and going karting at Grand Prix New York as often as we can afford. Unfortunately we have no were to drive on campus, no one on the team has a car that we can drive in a local autocross, and we don't know of any place we could legally/safely take our car to train.

[J.R.]

Did you try asking that karting place for sponsorship? We've got a local place that lets us drive for free in exchange for on campus promotions. Worth asking!

[Mikey Antonakakis]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by J.R.:
Did you try asking that karting place for sponsorship? We've got a local place that lets us drive for free in exchange for on campus promotions. Worth asking! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah we talked about that at our meeting tonight, we're definitely going to try that. Then all we need is for the train company to sponsor us because it costs $20 a trip per person to get there, ha.

[wtpLXfox]

We're struggling right now. Our main problem is sponsorships as we can't get enough money to come close to completing our budget. Last year our school fronted all the money for us and made it easy to build and test the car within a reasonable amount of time for Michigan in 2008. However, this year they said they will not be doing the same thing and we are hurting badly. Obviously this could be from the craptastic economy, but is anyone else having issues getting sponsorships this year?

David
UofL

[Aaron@Kaist]

we had sponsorship from Bentley Motors Korea, they pulled out last month !@)#*!@(%&!@(#*!@#(!_(!@((#(@!)@)@) is anyone else hurting from the exchange rate...

[BP]

Here in Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada at Lakehead University, we are also having funding issues. There has not been much in terms of sponsorships other than for software and fabrication services, our monetary situation is not good. We currently have less then a thousand dollars and need much more than that to compete in May. Most of our donations have come from Alumni of the University, which is a big help but not nearly close enough to make the projected budget.

Among those things our frame is done, suspension is being built over the xmas break, our seat is being made, engine is completely mounted with bushings made but compression test results dont look good. Our Polaris sponsorship parts have been ordered and our tires and possibly wheels are being donated.

2009 is going to be very busy here for the Lakehead University Thunder Wolf Racing team, but either way, you will see us in Michigan on May 13, 2009. Thats a promise!

[Kevin Dunn]

At Lawrence Tech we're behind schedule, as always. Our chassis and suspensions teams have been kicking butt to get a rolling chassis together. Our goal was January 1st but depending on how many dedicated team members get in the lab over the next week, it'll hopefully be rolling beginning of February or so. Our goal for a completed car is March 1st (in order to tune for VIR).

Chassis:
Still waiting on clarification of our SEF's. We submitted them and heard back but the response was too vague to really start redesigning our side-impact structure. Just need to design our jigs for suspension tabs and we'll be welding those on. Mock Engine will be dropped in tomorrow afternoon. Our chassis is pretty much completed except for our side-impact section.

Suspension:
All of the parts have been ordered and are in the lab. Titanium and Aluminum stock has been sent out for machining. Should be getting that back in the end of January. Currently we are designing our bell-cranks and push/pull rod geometry to finalize our suspension design. A-arms have been fabbed and are awaiting tabs...

Powertrain:
These guys are making me nervous...Finally got our dyno engine blue-printed and assembled. We'll be welding up our dry-sump testing pan and prototype aluminum intake in the next week or two. We have some work cut out for us on the fabbing of the intake since we are going water-air intercooled this year. Will order all of our stainless tubing for our 09 comp. exhuast to be fabbed up. I'm still waiting to hear back from Garrett for our GT12 (contacted them several times with no response). We are working with AVL to possibly donate some "equipment" for us to use to the end of June hopefully...this will tremendously decrease the amount of tuning time.

Drivetrain:
Rear diff. is being machined as we speak. Our stub-shafts and other miscellaneous part arrived on 12/22.

Body/Seat:
Body is pretty much designed by one of our Transportation Design students. Will be reviewed/evaluated by the team on 1/10/09. Seat fab will begin over Christmas break.

Fundraising:
We're POOR...Trying to do the best we can at proving to the school that we're trying to fundraise money. I met with the Dean of ME and he may be giving us a $7-$10,000 "bail-out". We're planning on having one fundraiser per month next year...

[exFSAE]

What happened to the days of doing a whole season on a $5-7k budget? Car is simple, pay your own way to comp, take a little debt on.. but its doable for the stubborn.

Hit up your alums. They got money, they understand how tight it is. 10 alums at $100 each is an easy grand.

[Kevin Dunn]

$5-7K budget, what is this Baja!?

In all seriousness, we've been hitting up companies from the past several years (back to 2002) with no luck...I'm sure we're not the only ones having trouble. The economy is probably the only reason we got into FSAE-Cali

Now I just have to talk the school into supporting us and paying to get our car/tool/supplies out there!

[jaca]

Sounds like your best bet would be to spend multiple years on this car and get the funding locked in. This will have the added benefit of allowing for a lot more design and testing, hugely useful for a new team. Building a formula car for less than ~15k will be an exercise in frustration.

[exFSAE]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kevin Dunn:
$5-7K budget, what is this Baja!? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Building a formula car for less than ~15k will be an exercise in frustration. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Has been done before, with decent results. Kinda sucks having a simple car when you want to do all sorts of trick stuff, but hey, when it is your senior year I would rather compete with a simple reliable car than no car at all.

You can pick up a 600cc sportbike engine for ~$650 if you hunt around and don't mind stuff with all ID numbers scratched off! Stock internals, simple power commander on stock ECU (don't recall how much that cost).

You can get all the steel for your frame and suspension for ~$350 shipped and that includes length to spare. At least that's what it cost us in 07, from Chassis Shop. Cut to 8' lengths saves a lot on shipping!

Set of tires for comp ~$700. For practice, at some point we picked up a set of used 13" Kumho DOT tires from the local tire place I think in exchange for a sixpack. Those will last forever and should be pretty good for learning race line, trailbraking, etc. Hope it doesn't rain. If it does, you can swing by the Hoosier or GY trailers at comp and get a set.

If you're not a 1st year team you should have at least one set of wheels from last year you can carry over, even if it means designing around the same lug or drive pin pattern. If not, what's a set of wheels from Keizer? Looking at site, looks about $1000.

Likewise with springs and dampers, pull from previous car. If not, you can get cheapo's from Risse for I think $175 each?? Could be totally wrong. But that would be another ~$700.

Exhaust, using mild steel tube you could pick up 24' of 1.375" OD x .049 wall for $75 at Online Metals.. which would be way more than enough for primaries and extra F-up length. Maybe another $50 for the rest of the system? $125. I'm sure you could find someone around with dies to bend it. Hit up a junk yard for a muffler?

Big billet stock for uprights and hubs is a crapshoot. I bet if you scrounged around your MechE, AeroE, and CivilE labs and shops you could pick up a LOT of remnant stock or cheap stuff. If there's a waterjet place around usually they also have BIG slabs of stock from cutouts that they'll sell for pennies on the dollar.. anything from mild steel to 4140 to 6061 to 7075. Use campus machine shops and that labor is free. Let's assume you're not lucky and have to drop an additional $1000 on raw stock.

So at that.. frame and suspension steel, billet for upright/hub assembly, NEW wheels, NEW dampers, set of slicks, additional engine, exhaust.. and you're only at $4500. Obviously much less if you use wheels, dampers, engine from previous year. Little ghetto, but hey.. when money's tight..

Drivetrain is typically expensive if you get the good stuff from TRE, but I'm sure you can pick up some heavier equipment from maybe a Vee for cheap. Hell, UB has done pretty well before with a solid axle no?

Obviously there's intake, controls, cooling, blah blah blah. Double that above cost and you're only at $9000.

Point being, FSAE cars have been built on $5-7k budget before, and haven't even looked half bad. Our cars from the 00-02 era were probably around that, with a lot coming out of pocket for travel expense. With some good design engineers you could make a car that handles pretty well. Without pretty much any powertrain development you can get 100 in design (my guys did in 08). Get it built EARLY, get your drivers some experience and that is the #1 thing that will score you more dynamic points.

Competitive car can be done on the cheap! If it's a little heavy, big deal. Even if its 480-500lb, big deal. Again, kinda sucks not racking up all those design points for a light car with all sorts of fancy malarky on it.. but at the end of the day if you finish all the dynamic events that's almost a guaranteed top 35, above a lot of "big name" schools that flop out.

[PatClarke]

Here we are , almost to the end of 2008. There is an old saying "The more things change, the more they say the same" and it is always a problem for teams to raise money.

Some time ago I wrote an advice column for the Australian teams, and I think it is very pertinant here. It was intended for new teams, but there is good advice in there for 'more experienced' teams too.
Best wishes to all in the new year.

The difficulties and challenges to start a new team and to build the first car.

I have been an observer of Formula FSAE for more than 10 years. In that time I have seen many new teams start out, some with success and some with heartbreak. I will try help new teams avoid the heartbreak.

It is easy for a team of enthusiastic young students to get carried away and design and build a car as they go along. Invariably, this is the first step on the road to heartache.

The team must have a working plan. FSAE is more an exercise in project management than it is in building a car. All successful teams have a strong and committed project leader, someone capable of making the hard decisions whilst holding the team together in times of crisis. These people are hard to find. The usual problem is that people have a need to be liked, and so have difficulty making those hard decisions.

All members of the team should have a hard copy of the rules and should study and understand them. So much heartbreak comes from teams failing at Technical Inspection because their car does not meet the rules

At the first planning meeting, this person needs to start delegation. The first tasks I see are:
• Raising a budget
• Getting College and Industry support
• Setting out a basic plan

The budget task should be self explanatory. The University or College may contribute, especially if parts of the car design contribute to individual student achievements.

Sponsorship can be gained from companies who have something to gain from the project. I always recommend that teams do NOT use the word ‘Racing’ in their official logo or team name. Marketing managers all over the world are besieged by racers asking for money to spend on their racing with little or no benefit to the sponsor. These proposals invariably end up in the trash can. Your marketing/sponsorship proposal should emphasise the educational side of the project. Refer to FSAE as an ‘International Student Engineering Competition’ or something similar as this will have more appeal.

A word of warning! Sponsorship is not free money, there are strings attached. Sometimes these strings are impossible to meet, and so that sponsorship may need to be politely refused. I recall a sponsor offering a team money only if they built a diamond shaped car.

Look after your sponsors; they are a rare and fragile breed. A good sponsor can make or break a team.

I would suggest that $10,000 would be a realistic figure to aim for in initial sponsorship, but more may well be needed later in the project.

Then there is the basic plan. What sort of car do you wish to build? There are choices in frame design, engine type, wheel size, tyre type. Some of these decisions may be made by your sponsor, for instance, a motorcycle manufacturer may donate your engine. Otherwise these decisions should be made in a pragmatic way.

As well as a basic plan, there should be a time line set. Markers should be set on this time line relating to various steps in the process up to and including the competition. The ultimate heartache is when a team does not get the project finished in time. It is the task of the project manager to ensure these markers are met. The designers will gain new knowledge during the project, and will want to include this knowledge in the design. This is okay as long as it does not delay the project. Ideas that will delay the project should go into next year’s car!

Before designing anything, the team should research what is successful elsewhere. There are good reasons why the vast majority of these cars have a four cylinder engine mounted in a steel tube chassis and rolling on 13” wheels, and that is exactly the formula I would recommend to any new team.

Your research should be based on FSAE and Formula Student cars, as their design requirements are unique. Formula 1 technology has developed to suit very different requirements. Aero performance is king in F1 whereas aero performance has little influence in an FSAE car.

Obtain access to a real formula racing car and benchmark the ergonomics! It is amazing how many FSAE cars are undriveable after a couple of laps because of ergonomic shortcomings! The relationship of seat, pedals, steering wheel and driver’s eye line is important. So is sufficient room inside the car to operate properly! If the driver’s shins are knocking against the steering rack or his elbow bangs the frame each time he changes gear, then he will be slow!

I always recommend 13” wheels to a new team. There are many reasons for this. There is more space inside the wheel to mount suspension, brake and steering components. The suspension loads are usually easier to feed into the chassis and there is a much better selection of tyres available. A valuable side effect of this is that when the competition is over and the car becomes a practice car for the next team, cheap used tyres from Formula Ford or similar can be used.

The tyre is, of course, the first and most important design decision. There is a Tyre Testing Consortium of teams who have paid to have suitable tyres tested. This data is available for a cost of about $800. I don’t think it is necessary for a new team to buy this data. Common sense would show that the teams with experience and money have chosen the best tyre, so perhaps the best idea for a new team to just copy what they are using and then learn about the tyre.

I have not mentioned the chassis yet for good reason. The chassis design comes late in the project, not at the beginning! I would recommend a new team build a tubular steel chassis rather than a composite monocoque structure. This is because it is far easier to modify or repair a steel chassis after initial testing. All the suspension and steering lessons learned can be transferred to a composite chassis in the future if needed.

Once all the rules requirements, suspension points, driver controls etc are loaded into the computer, the chassis design becomes a matter of ‘joining the dots’ in an intelligent manner.

The car should be finished to a point where it can be tested at least one month before the competition. FSAE is not where the team wants to find out the small problems that might prevent them from competing, nor is it the place to learn to drive the car.

Finally, and this is important! Write a great Design Report. This is the document that will tell the judges what you set out to achieve and how you went about it. It will become the record of your achievement along with the car.

Oh, one last thing, make sure you keep records to pass on to the next team so they do not have to start from scratch like you did.

Good luck with your project

Pat Clarke

[RiNaZ]

they say you cant really measure someone's passion ... i say, these 1300 words might http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[JamesWolak]

Man where is the sweet pictures of everyones progress? If i have learned anything in FSAE talk is meaningless.

Toledo, Cornell, Helsinki you guys have to be 90% done by now.

I'll try to grap some picture of our lack of progress tomorrow and post it up. (We will see though like i said talk is crap)

[JamesWolak]

Jebus! 20 days later and there is still no pictures.

Alright i guess ill give in and post up a picture.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/Discretelyelite/Picture003.jpg

This is the 2008 car that we are doing engine development on for 2009

[Asymmetric]

Whats the pressure drop on that setup.

[Kevin Dunn]

Which fluid are we talking about?

[Asymmetric]

Things are looking horrible over here!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/Discretelyelite/100_0982.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/Discretelyelite/100_0983.jpg


LTU Suspension Guru

[Kevin Dunn]

Those pictures done even do them justice...

[t21jj]

Iowa State has a rolling chassis as of January 31st. We plan to have the car running before spring break.

[Kevin Dunn]

Rolling chassis? Says who?

PICS PLEASE! (Not that I don't believe you) I just like seeing progress on someones car, even if it isn't ours.

[t21jj]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kevin Dunn:
Rolling chassis? Says who?

PICS PLEASE! (Not that I don't believe you) I just like seeing progress on someones car, even if it isn't ours. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9923/n16921423388957824382sj5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/n16921423388957824382sj5.jpg/1/w604.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img23/n16921423388957824382sj5.jpg/1/)

As far as I know we've never had one rolling this early.

[Kevin Dunn]

Cool. Looks like a new aero package eh? I hear that sheets with a 300 thread count or more have better aerodynamic qualities.

Here's a picture of our intake manifold for 2009 (hope it doesn't give too much away). We're getting all of our components in, so basically just need to get the suspension tabs welded on and start assembling everything together.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/Discretelyelite/Photo-0430.jpg

[t21jj]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kevin Dunn:
Cool. Looks like a new aero package eh?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nope no aero

[Kevin Dunn]

Damn....you quoted me before I fixed my horrible joke.

[t21jj]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kevin Dunn:
Damn....you quoted me before I fixed my horrible joke. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

oops...I've got nothing better to do right now, stuff in the dryer. lol

[McMasteRacer]

Kevin,

I am really curious about your intake manifold, RP nylon? the metal threaded inserts are a really nice touch! but that massive hole in the side? ...rotating drum - variable intake runner length?

just curious

[Kevin Dunn]

Laser Sintered Nylon12...

I knew the massive hole in the plenum would stump people...BWAHAHAHA

BIG THANKS TO SYNERGEERING BY THE WAY! TURNED OUT GREAT!

www.synergeering.com (http://www.synergeering.com)

[MalcolmG]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by McMasteRacer:
Kevin,

I am really curious about your intake manifold, RP nylon? the metal threaded inserts are a really nice touch! but that massive hole in the side? ...rotating drum - variable intake runner length?

just curious </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

variable restrictor bypass? http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Wesley]

Low speed long plenum for increased inertial ram, side entry for high rpm?

With a valve to split between the two after the restrictor...?

[JamesWolak]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wesley:

With a valve to split between the two after the restrictor...? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

wouldnt that break the rules?

[Discretely elite]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JamesWolak:
f[QUOTE]Originally posted by Wesley:

With a valve to split between the two after the restrictor...?[/QUOTE}

wouldnt that be break the rules? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, he is saying once you pass through the restrictor you split it up.

[Jersey Tom]

Hole is for this?

http://www.gmmotorsport.com/gm_parts/ls2_05169_nos_lrg.jpg

[Discretely elite]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jersey Tom:
Hole is for this? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No but thats what the small non threaded ports are for http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Kevin Dunn]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Discretely elite:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jersey Tom:
Hole is for this? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No but thats what the small non threaded ports are for http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Scott, I don't think you were there when we discussed this. The boss in the side of the runner is for our nitrous nozzle, the other ports are just for the average sensors... http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Kevin Dunn]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JamesWolak:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wesley:

With a valve to split between the two after the restrictor...? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

wouldnt that break the rules? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Regardless of where the air would be entering I would think so because you are using more than one throttling valve (Rule 8.6.2)

[Yellow Ranger]

Doesn't someone use a throttling valve like this for traction control?

[vreihen]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kevin Dunn:
I knew the massive hole in the plenum would stump people...BWAHAHAHA </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My guess is either an over-boost pressure release blow-out plug, or an in-manifold supercharger..... http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[JamesWolak]

Oxford Brooks maybe you could tell us what it is. :wink wink nudge nudge:

[Wesley]

It wouldn't be any more a throttling valve than a variable runner intake is, especially one of those rotary ones.

[Kevin Dunn]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JamesWolak:
Oxford Brooks maybe you could tell us what it is. :wink wink nudge nudge: </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You just HAD to give it away huh? I was having fun reading the ideas..

BTW, wasn't it Chalmers that may have some incite one this? Either way...you are all wrong.

[L B0MB]

I saw the 05 Oxford Brookes car had the restrictor diffuser in the plenum... But the plenum feed on this seems to be at the top...

So that leaves variable plenum volume?
External resonant volume feed?
Window to fit injectors in plenum?
EGR port?
Glory hole?

[JamesWolak]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by L Bomb:
I saw the 05 Oxford Brookes car had the restrictor diffuser in the plenum... But the plenum feed on this seems to be at the top...

So that leaves variable plenum volume?
External resonant volume feed?
Window to fit injectors in plenum?
EGR port?
Glory hole? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Lol Glory hole. Classy and the closest to being right.

I am sorry to mislead you guys. I meant Chalmers for some reason i get those two mixed up all the time.

[Isn't it Obvious?!]

Diverting form the intake conversation.....
Here's Missouri S&T's first drive video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnBJ2bBAEMU

Enjoy!

[Kevin Dunn]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by L Bomb:
I saw the 05 Oxford Brookes car had the restrictor diffuser in the plenum... But the plenum feed on this seems to be at the top...

So that leaves variable plenum volume?
External resonant volume feed?
Window to fit injectors in plenum?
EGR port?
Glory hole? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO at Glory Hole. I'm dubbing it that from now on...

EGR port, since when did FSAE start caring about emissions?

All of you're guys' geusses aren't getting any "warmer" (hint, hint)...

[Kevin Dunn]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Isn't it Obvious?!:
Diverting form the intake conversation.....
Here's Missouri S&T's first drive video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnBJ2bBAEMU

Enjoy! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good job guys! I have to admit, that is one of the few cars that look good with the aero package. What engine are you guys running? Doesn't sound like a 4cyl...

[Isn't it Obvious?!]

It's an R6, its just got a "proper" exhaust on it. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Kevin Dunn]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Isn't it Obvious?!:
It's an R6, its just got a "proper" exhaust on it. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Eh, probably just the sound manipulated by the camera...Exhaust tones are never recorded very well without distorting them.

Either way, props to you guys along with Cornell. I wish we were in your shoes...

[Mikey Antonakakis]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Isn't it Obvious?!:
Diverting form the intake conversation.....
Here's Missouri S&T's first drive video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnBJ2bBAEMU

Enjoy! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

that's some mad drfting yo!!!

Slide or die!

[dazz]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kevin Dunn:
All of you're guys' geusses aren't getting any "warmer" (hint, hint)... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've seen water to air inter-coolers that would go close to fitting in that space?

http://lextreme.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5940&d=1182455149

[Kevin Dunn]

We have a winner!

And, yes they do fit rather nicely.

Laminova Water-to-Air Intercooler. Chalmer's has used them with good results in the past. I think we may be one of the few in the States running one, let alone turbo'd E85.

[Drew Price]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Isn't it Obvious?!:
Diverting form the intake conversation.....
Here's Missouri S&T's first drive video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnBJ2bBAEMU

Enjoy! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



You boys gonna be able to see the cones over that front hoop there?

Looks great, can't wait to see you guys again.

Best,
Drew

[flavorPacket]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Drew Price:

You boys gonna be able to see the cones over that front hoop there? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We certainly won't. In fact, one of our drivers is about 5'1". We're gonna have her sit on phone books for the shakedown...

[Discretely elite]

We got our 2008 car on the Inertia Tester:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/Discretelyelite/FormulaSAEInertiaTesterand09Comp-1.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/Discretelyelite/FormulaSAEInertiaTesterand09Comp-3.jpg

2009 Progress:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/Discretelyelite/FormulaSAEInertiaTesterand09Comp-2.jpg
Laminova View

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/Discretelyelite/FormulaSAEInertiaTesterand09Compone.jpg
Lots of work to be done

[Mikey Antonakakis]

That is an AWESOME view inside your plenum

[L B0MB]

Discretely elite:

Correct me if I'm wrong but...

Your front roll hoop does not seem to extend as one piece all the way to the lower chassis rails. If it is in fact one piece it would not have the minimum bend radius of 3xOD...

Plus there arent 3 tubes extending from the front bulkhead to the main roll hoop... Well I guess there is including the front roll hoop upper support braces...

Sending a pic off to the judges before comp might be a good idea just to gget the all clear

Just trying to help http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Discretely elite]

L Bomb:

I'm sure you have some valid points but I'm last years engine guy so I wouldn't know one way or the other. I do know that we have to submit an SEF so I think that should be cleared with that. Thanks for the advice, I'm sure the 09 leader will pass it on to our chassis guys.

[scott_rfr]

Read the rules...

"3.11.4 With proper gusseting and/or triangulation, it is permissible to fabricate the Front Hoop from
more than one piece of tubing."

Scott

[Kevin Dunn]

Roll hoop is a single piece with a slight bend at the top node on the side of the chassis.

SEF has been submitted and approved.

As far as the 09 progress. We're a few weeks behind schedule. We had a couple of machine shops bail on us with our suspension tab jigs (need a 5-axis CNC due to compound angles). We've got most of our major components )except for our spindles and machined wheel centers which should be back in the next week or so...

After our tabs are welded on the chassis, we basically just have to assemble the car and finish up all of the random fab work. So, we're not too bad but I wish we were atleast rolling by now...

[JamesWolak]

Can we just rename this the Lawrence Tech hi-jacked thread?

[Kevin Dunn]

LOL...

It was never hi-jacked. Apparently we must be one of the few teams that have either:
a) Made some progress on our 2009 car
b) Have access to a digital camera to share our progress
c) Been nice enough to not hide our car behind a curtain or in a trailer

[Wesley]

No time for updating the forum. We have a car to build. sae.ou.edu

[cliff Johnson]

Just wanted to say hello.

[PBnG]

Hi Cliff and Welcome!!!

Any plans for Mardi Gras?

It's honestly right around the corner and I can't wait to get started on my King Cakes. I have this really great recipe. There is just something great about putting a baby in a warm, moist, braided pastry and then dousing it in colored sugar. Yum.

Nutria is fantastic also. If you're in the neighborhood, you really should try it. Most people here just don't get it. It's sad, really.

[Yellow Ranger]

Well, after a rough last couple weeks (few months actually) the University of Oklahoma's Sooner Racing Team has a running car. We were shooting for a Friday the 13th deadline but Karen’s Aprilia motor is superstitious so we finally got it running on V-day. Pics will be up shortly

Karen First Drive Vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYetJTMwk5k)

[Hector]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">sae.ou.edu </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Can we laugh at the guy holding the flag?

[JamesWolak]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hector:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">sae.ou.edu </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Can we laugh at the guy holding the flag? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I bet this is the same guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUr4Z_peTKI

[Yellow Ranger]

Haha- no, not the same guy, but pretty much everyone on the team is, well, embarrassing to say the least...

we like to have a good time

[Isn't it Obvious?!]

Congrats Guys! Go Pirates!

[Wesley]

Embarrassing? Aw shucks. We take ourselves seriously at least 15% of the time.

Between bringing popcorn to the lab to watch Wisconsin's webcam and soccer four square, it's really a marvel we get any work done at all.

[Neil S]

Gotta represent with the Jolly Roger!

We should just vinyl it onto the back of the wing, then when Claude says it feels like his grandmother's skin we can explain that it scares the air into speeding up thus creating more downforce.

[JamesWolak]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wesley:
Between bringing popcorn to the lab to watch Wisconsin's webcam </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wisconsin has a webcam? Link it up. I am tired of Washington's and Carnegie's time difference messes up my viewing times.

[FStotal.com]

http://www.uwracing.com/garagecam.php

[Wes Johnson]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Yellow Ranger:
Well, after a rough last couple weeks (few months actually) the University of Oklahoma's Sooner Racing Team has a running car. We were shooting for a Friday the 13th deadline but Karen’s Aprilia motor is superstitious so we finally got it running on V-day. Pics will be up shortly

Karen First Drive Vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYetJTMwk5k) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Mind if I ask what kind of diff you guys run?

Thanks,
WJ

[JamesWolak]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FStotal:
http://www.uwracing.com/garagecam.php </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great, two more sites to add to my FSAE addiction.

[fade]

Nice work OU. When is the unveiling?

[Yellow Ranger]

Thanks guys- we should incorporate the pirate in every part...

The diff we run is a clutch pack from a 2001 honda fortrax 450- we make the case and stub shafts for it. Its very very light weight but the clutches don't last too long.

Thanks Dave- the final car unvieling is scheduled for Friday the 13th (March). You should make it out!

[Kevin Dunn]

So is anyone else rolling yet? We're stuck on getting our suspension jigs 4-axis CNC'd. Our fab lab only has a 3-axis and we couldn't find a shop to do them under $4000 until now...

We're hoping to have ours atleast rolling in the next 3 weeks (scheduled completion is March 22). Dyno car will be on the dyno with our comp. setup for some minor tuning in the next week.

[t21jj]

Iowa State update-
We've been correcting mistakes discovered when we got the car rolling last month. We are also still working on engine tunning. If everything goes as planned we will have the car running over spring break. We will be getting in our foam next week for the body molds and I'll start routering them out on our 3 axis router.

[Wes Johnson]

If you don't mind me asking, what is so special about them that you needed to design them for 4 axis machining?

Just curious.

-WJ

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kevin Dunn:
So is anyone else rolling yet? We're stuck on getting our suspension jigs 4-axis CNC'd. Our fab lab only has a 3-axis and we couldn't find a shop to do them under $4000 until now...

We're hoping to have ours atleast rolling in the next 3 weeks (scheduled completion is March 22). Dyno car will be on the dyno with our comp. setup for some minor tuning in the next week. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Asymmetric]

I wouldn't say that we need a 4 axis, just a compound sine plate. Probably not even that, I'm just anal when it comes to suspension points. Have you ever measured your wheelbase on both sides of your car and compared values, I think a lot of teams would be surprised how far off it actually is. Besides, there are 20 some odd pieces to make and we have a lot of compound angles.

[PBnG]

If the discrepancy is enough to be measured with a tape measure... "you're doing it wrong."

[Kevin Dunn]

Well, the discrepancy relative to points on the chassis may be off, but there is no discrepancy from suspension point to suspension point...This is why I confronted FARO for a sponsorship this year.

And we are incorporating some complex suspension geometry which, like Asymmetric stated, imposes compound angles. These are done with less human error on a 4-axis but could be done on a 3-axis with sine plate...

[staffa]

Hi everyone!!!
We didn't managed to finish our 08 car on time due to a sponsorship problem... rod ends and bearings never arrived....
So, at last, our car is ready and rolling since november... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv-6zSn4fR8

Actually we are making minor adjustments on the front hoop as the drivers felt more comfortable with an higher steering wheel.

More pictures and videos on our facebook group http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=13400419060 or on our website www.dynamisprc.it (http://www.dynamisprc.it)

Bye!

[Wes Johnson]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kevin Dunn:
Well, the discrepancy relative to points on the chassis may be off, but there is no discrepancy from suspension point to suspension point...This is why I confronted FARO for a sponsorship this year.

And we are incorporating some complex suspension geometry which, like Asymmetric stated, imposes compound angles. These are done with less human error on a 4-axis but could be done on a 3-axis with sine plate... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I gotcha. Yeah, If you get the chance to measure a car with a CMM after you do your setup work it can do some great things for you.

-WJ

[Wesley]

http://sae.ou.edu/images/2009complete.jpg

[Superfast Matt McCoy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wesley:
http://sae.ou.edu/images/2009complete.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea, but where's the rich mahogany?

[flavorPacket]

http://www.engin.umich.edu/soc.../Formula/webcams.htm (http://www.engin.umich.edu/soc/sae/Formula/webcams.htm)

[fade]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Superfast Matt McCoy:


Yea, but where's the rich mahogany? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It looks like the SRT hylomania continues. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
http://sae.ou.edu/gallery/09/SRT09-11.jpg

[Wesley]

Don't worry, we have a dash closeout planned that will carry on the tradition, too.

[ZAMR]

http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2748/234/34/1447710199/n1447710199_30280026_6761914.jpg

http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Zach Moorhead
Sooner Racing
Engine 09

[Drew Price]

No car yet, but we're getting into the spirit of things....



http://lh5.ggpht.com/_JNlhJgnxXHk/SdG1jNnv8aI/AAAAAAAAA2w/osDtrP0I5NY/s640/Me%20013.jpg



Best,
Drew

[Wesley]

Visibility training? Or neck effort training?

[RacingManiac]

getting used to the smell of the helmet in storage?http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Wes Johnson]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ZAMR:
http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2748/234/34/1447710199/n1447710199_30280026_6761914.jpg

http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Zach Moorhead
Sooner Racing
Engine 09 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Is that a gas tank in one of your wing elements?? Whats up with the hose?

Seriously though, that is a great looking car guys, looking forward to seeing it!

-Wes

[Wesley]

Yeah, we were reading some books on aerospace wing construction, and decided to save some packaging space by filling the wings with fuel! The good news is the gravity fed system eliminates the need for a fuel pump, and increases weight transfer due to the high CG.

[flavorPacket]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wes Johnson:
Is that a gas tank in one of your wing elements?? Whats up with the hose?

Seriously though, that is a great looking car guys, looking forward to seeing it!

-Wes </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They put the fluid vent under there to reduce drag. It's very common in aerospace.

[J.R.]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fade:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Superfast Matt McCoy:


Yea, but where's the rich mahogany? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It looks like the SRT hylomania continues. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
http://sae.ou.edu/gallery/09/SRT09-11.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Does that steering wheel fall below the front roll hoop? Might want to check that before competition....

[Wesley]

That's last year's wheel, but yeah, it does.

[t21jj]

Short engine sneak preview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_a53DP-MrM

[ZAMR]

Well Buffalo, if you really wanted to catch us on rules, you should notice something as obvious as how low the throttle body is.

Turns out that's our dyno intake, but it fit perfectly in the car!

Zach Moorhead
Sooner Racing
Engine & Body

[JamesWolak]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ZAMR:
Well Buffalo, if you really wanted to catch us on rules, you should notice something as obvious as how low the throttle body is.

Turns out that's our dyno intake, but it fit perfectly in the car!

Zach Moorhead
Sooner Racing
Engine & Body </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hate that throttle body rule

[ZAMR]

I empathize. It makes it really hard to package sometimes.

[Scrappy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by t21jj:
Short engine sneak preview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_a53DP-MrM </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hahaha i love the coil zip tied to the dyno stand......jank ass dyno setups FTW!! The way it was moving around when you were revving the engine made me remember how much the singles vibrate.....

[t21jj]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Scrappy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by t21jj:
Short engine sneak preview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_a53DP-MrM </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hahaha i love the coil zip tied to the dyno stand......jank ass dyno setups FTW!! The way it was moving around when you were revving the engine made me remember how much the singles vibrate..... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Like a unbalanced washing machine on spin cycle lol. We have the dyno sitting on big foam blocks otherwise the dyno walks across the floor. And yes we ditched the factory coil on plug design for a coil from an ls1, it works well with the Motec.

[J.R.]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ZAMR:
Well Buffalo, if you really wanted to catch us on rules, you should notice something as obvious as how low the throttle body is.

Turns out that's our dyno intake, but it fit perfectly in the car!

Zach Moorhead
Sooner Racing
Engine & Body </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not trying to be a jerk, it's just something that would be easier to fix now in your shop, than in your trailer at competition when it fails tech....

[J.R.]

BTW, you have a separate intake for when you dyno your car???!?! I'm no longer an "engine guy" but don't you need to have the same intake, since it can really change performance???

[Yellow Ranger]

We like to iterate our designs throughout the year, especially with a motor we've never used before.

How are all the other teams doing? Especially those going to VIR?

[Kevin Dunn]

Poor...Finally rolled for the first time today (well, Sunday afternoon). Good thing is, is that the chassis was on the table long enough that we were able to knock out a lot of the little things. All we need to do now is a drop an engine in, along with plumb the brakes, install half-shafts and run the electrical harness and it should be good to go for the most part.

We'll be cutting it close for sure..too close for comfort!

[Wesley]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by J.R.:
BTW, you have a separate intake for when you dyno your car???!?! I'm no longer an "engine guy" but don't you need to have the same intake, since it can really change performance??? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think most teams have a test intake that can be changed. Pretty standard.

[Vittorio]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by flavorPacket:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wes Johnson:
Is that a gas tank in one of your wing elements?? Whats up with the hose?

Seriously though, that is a great looking car guys, looking forward to seeing it!

-Wes </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They put the fluid vent under there to reduce drag. It's very common in aerospace. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What do you mean with fluid vent? Is it in the area with negative pressure?

[Wes Johnson]

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh...2VCw?feat=directlink (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Fz5REw5V4fmTOvIGkB2VCw?feat=directlink)

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh...L_Kw?feat=directlink (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bpeXJlL1ZLd0SgK3kvL_Kw?feat=directlink)

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh...TWeQ?feat=directlink (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/KNLjxlTuzxjtGjo81OTWeQ?feat=directlink)

[L B0MB]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wes Johnson:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh...2VCw?feat=directlink (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Fz5REw5V4fmTOvIGkB2VCw?feat=directlink)

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh...L_Kw?feat=directlink (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bpeXJlL1ZLd0SgK3kvL_Kw?feat=directlink)

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh...TWeQ?feat=directlink (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/KNLjxlTuzxjtGjo81OTWeQ?feat=directlink) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Wes, looks like quite a wide rear track on that car, had any issues with clipping cones with the rear wheels?

Also, that main hoops looks pretty low. We had to make our gigantic as at least 2 of our drivers are taller than the 95th percentile template. Found that out the hard way at tech inspection last year!

Good luck with the rest of the build http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Pennyman]

From our unveiling last week

http://i334.photobucket.com/albums/m434/sjsuformulasae/FSAE%20Unveiling/IMG_2935.jpg?t=1239266161

[exFSAE]

Kumho DOT tires? Interesting.

[Wes Johnson]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by L Bomb:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wes Johnson:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh...2VCw?feat=directlink (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Fz5REw5V4fmTOvIGkB2VCw?feat=directlink)

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh...L_Kw?feat=directlink (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bpeXJlL1ZLd0SgK3kvL_Kw?feat=directlink)

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh...TWeQ?feat=directlink (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/KNLjxlTuzxjtGjo81OTWeQ?feat=directlink) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Wes, looks like quite a wide rear track on that car, had any issues with clipping cones with the rear wheels?

Also, that main hoops looks pretty low. We had to make our gigantic as at least 2 of our drivers are taller than the 95th percentile template. Found that out the hard way at tech inspection last year!

Good luck with the rest of the build http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Thanks for the compliments. Right now the wheel centers are installed on the wrong side in the front and there are rear wheel spacers in (that are too long) until our new components are machined.

We are running our first full test this weekend in preparation for VIR. Most likely will not have the car painted, so it will be ugly!!

With regards to the main hoop, it is very close to the percy template and fortunately for us we have a good selection of drivers that will be legal for competition.

Thanks,
WJ

[The AFX Master]

F-SAE USB 2009 Car # 47

We have a rolling car, almost done and adjusting bits to a first run in one or two days... Bare carbon finish on all frame stuff, we need to paint it partially yellow as usual this week

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk229/theafxmaster/CIMG5783.jpg .

[Drew Price]

Wow.



Everyone's cars are going to look like swimming pools.



Best,
Drew

[The AFX Master]

And that chassis tightly passes the footwell template http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif... It looks big on photos, but isn't kind of a big deal when you see it personally.

Honestly we did think it would look lots bigger and weight tons more.. It's under 450 with water and no fuel, we did 470 last year

[Yellow Ranger]

Come on you VIR guys - 1 week till!

How are the ladys doing?

[Wes Johnson]

We (Clemson) blew up a motor last Saturday while testing the 09 car for VIR.

We had it swapped out that afternoon but were unable to get it back together for more testing unfortunately.

This week is going to be fun getting the car legal and trying to squeak in some more testing.

-WJ

[Mikey Antonakakis]

We'll certainly be cutting it close for VIR.... my GPA has probably dropped a couple points for this semester in the last two weeks. Being in the shop from late afternoon to early afternoon each day will do that...

[Matt_Newcombe]

Testing has been completed and the car will be heading to VIR mid next week.

http://i40.tinypic.com/fzawiq.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/2552yyg.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/wv4u44.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/eqat5y.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/33xy3wn.jpg

[Wes Johnson]

@ Matt:

Curious to know if your car passes the vertical template??

Looks real good, VIR is gonna be pretty interesting I think!

[Matt_Newcombe]

We're sucking up the 35 points in design since the vertical template won't even come close to passing through. The car was built to 2008 rules - the last of a dying breed.

[carlosm]

i thought they wern't going to let you race if the car isn't even close to passing? The minus 35 points was only for teams who made a good attempt at complying with the rules but just missed it. i could be wrong...

[Mark TMV]

It's not a new car, it has a tech sticker from 2008 FSAE West. So we should be fine, other than the major points hit in design...

[Thrainer]

Wow, I wasn't expecting the orange jacking points to be that ugly.

[Matt_Newcombe]

Even when it's Porsche orange? It's easy to see, that's for sure.

[rollcentre]

someone from S&T just posted another video on the tube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vkDBJDqgX4&feature=channel_page)

[Luniz]

Just celebrated our rollout yesterday... my head is still aching, I may have had a beer or two too many.

http://raceyard.hanneseilers.de/fileadmin/images/galleries/Aktionen/09_04_18_rollout/IMGP0200.JPG

This is our 09 car. Somehow the body design team managed making it neither look like a whale nor a bathtub nor a swimming pool ;-)

Some parts are still missing, the first time it stood on its own feet was at about 3 AM, first body parts were on the chassis at about 5 AM, rollout was at 6 PM yesterday.

[jaca]

wow, that's a great looking car

shame it'll probably be covered in sponsor decals, it looks amazing as is

[t21jj]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTRhM16WBWQ

[Mikey Antonakakis]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by t21jj:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTRhM16WBWQ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
nice! I like the blue flames (that is what I'm seeing, right?)

Here's a somewhat old video now, with my partially-complete exhaust:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37VQXTlzOYE
Note the time in the title of the video, it was a normal night, as I'm sure you will all agree! (if you can't view the video, it hasn't finished being processed by youtube yet, check back again soon).

[t21jj]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mikey Antonakakis:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by t21jj:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTRhM16WBWQ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
nice! I like the blue flames (that is what I'm seeing, right?)

Here's a somewhat old video now, with my partially-complete exhaust:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37VQXTlzOYE
Note the time in the title of the video, it was a normal night, as I'm sure you will all agree! (if you can't view the video, it hasn't finished being processed by youtube yet, check back again soon). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, that's our backup engine, the tune is a little rough right now. We're tuning the competition engine now.

[teemee]

Live-streaming of KA-RaceIng Rollout on April 28th

For the first time, fans and supporters have the opportunity to watch
the Rollout of KIT09 live online. From 7:30 pm CET the ceremonial unveiling
of the new race car will be broadcast live directly from the University of
Karlsruhe.
This way, every friend of KA-RaceIng has the opportunity to experience the
presentation of KIT09, regardless of his or her location.

All information regarding the streaming can be found on www.ka-raceing.de (http://www.ka-raceing.de)

[teemee]

http://www.ka-raceing.de/web-img/rollout09-1.jpg

http://www.ka-raceing.de/web-img/rollout09-2.jpg

http://www.ka-raceing.de/web-img/rollout09-3.jpg

[Mikey Antonakakis]

^^stunning


Here are a couple pics of our progress. We drove the car for the first time this morning, even if we only had about 10 feet to drive.

Our electronics guy got stuck in our driver cooling system:
http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2754/238/5/124249/n124249_36882136_613197.jpg
http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2754/238/5/124249/n124249_36882138_5025160.jpg
He looks as rested as I'm sure we all do:
http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2754/238/5/124249/n124249_36882137_5953533.jpg
The car in its test area (the entire testing facility is within the border of the picture):
http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2754/238/5/124249/n124249_36882135_2527118.jpg

Car with our wonderful president sitting in it, with the bodywork being measured for mounting holes:
http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2754/238/5/124249/n124249_36882131_3162742.jpg

[The AFX Master]

Our Rollout..

Pretty big changes since the last photo.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk229/theafxmaster/IMGP2538.jpg
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk229/theafxmaster/IMGP2568.jpg
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk229/theafxmaster/IMGP2569.jpg

[Whis]

There is always that guy in the background doing the stupid shit with the stupid w/e in every picture isn't there. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Smith]

You guys put on quite a classy show. We are happy to get everyone out of greasy jeans and into kakis with polo shirts.

[mok]

Ok now, first pictures of our new car. Great job guys! I love it! http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8616/rollout114lq01.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/906/rollout114lq06.jpg

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/5144/rollout114lq03.jpg

[Pennyman]

Shweeeeeet... http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

We are definitely paining our car white lol

[RacingManiac]

that looks amazing...

[exFSAE]

Ahhh the super short VSAL suspension. Claude would have some words about that...

Looks clean though.

[C.Zinke]

Nice Car guys. Interesting to see how the evolution of your cars goes on.

exFSAE: The suspension looks pretty much the same like on their 2008 car. Claude judged Stuttgart at the FSG and they became 2nd in Design. Our VSAL was even shorter and we won desing.... hehe

No seriously.. have you had some discussions with Claude about that?

[exFSAE]

Yes, I have. He has very specific comments on it, regarding the relative polar inertia of the sprung mass about the roll axis, and the unsprung mass about the instant center (short VSAL dramatically reducing the latter).

Not sure if I believe his train of thought completely regarding the implication of the above. Either way, its the same setup used on the last FSAE car I was involved with in 2007. There's some justification to it but I'm no longer a huge fan of it in general.

[flavorPacket]

Claude has lots of ideas about FSAE cars with short swing arms and that inertia business. Having built a few, I'm not sure any of that stuff matters, and neither is my multibody dynamics software.

[cocosan]

Sponsorship can be gained from companies who have something to gain from the project. I always recommend that teams do NOT use the word ‘Racing’ in their official logo or team name. Marketing managers all over the world are besieged by racers asking for money to spend on their racing with little or no benefit to the sponsor. These proposals invariably end up in the trash can. Your marketing/sponsorship proposal should emphasise the educational side of the project. Refer to FSAE as an ‘International Student Engineering Competition’ or something similar as this will have more appeal.

[Wesley]

Do we have mods that can pull this post? ^^ It's just part of Pat's post with spam links in it.

[aiyoung]

imagine if Pat interjected spam links into real life conversations.

"i think you need to focus on NEW YORK ASIAN ESCORT driver training"

[aiyoung]

you could rename cocosan to "SPAM clark"

[Pennyman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by exFSAE:
Yes, I have. He has very specific comments on it, regarding the relative polar inertia of the sprung mass about the roll axis, and the unsprung mass about the instant center (short VSAL dramatically reducing the latter).

Not sure if I believe his train of thought completely regarding the implication of the above. Either way, its the same setup used on the last FSAE car I was involved with in 2007. There's some justification to it but I'm no longer a huge fan of it in general. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

PM sent EX

[vreihen]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wesley:
Do we have mods that can pull this post? ^^ It's just part of Pat's post with spam links in it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did you report it through the abuse link on that particular message? The forum management has been pretty quick to remove any spambots that I've reported via the yellow triangle with the exclamation point in it.....

[Pennyman]

Ok, to get back on topic...ish

Regarding short VSAL's

I know Claude said a short VSAL will reduce the MOI of the wheel package about the IC, but I don't see how that would cause the inner wheels to lift.

If the MOI of the wheel package is reduced, then the wheel package's ability to accelerate itself about its instant center (when initiating a turn) should increase, not decrease. The only possible way for it to lift is if the sprung mass was MORE willing to roll about the RC than the unsprung mass.

A little confused. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[PatClarke]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">imagine if Pat interjected spam links into real life conversations. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Haha, maybe I could get sponsorship?
Though there are those who say I tell the students too much already =]

Pat

[Eklavya Singh]

What dampers are those? Sorry for the lack of knowledge but what's the thing at the end? http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
Also friggin awesome car by the way!! Loved the "Making of" video on youtube.

Eklavya Singh
Formula Manipal

[exFSAE]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pennyman:
Ok, to get back on topic...ish

Regarding short VSAL's

I know Claude said a short VSAL will reduce the MOI of the wheel package about the IC, but I don't see how that would cause the inner wheels to lift.

If the MOI of the wheel package is reduced, then the wheel package's ability to accelerate itself about its instant center (when initiating a turn) should increase, not decrease. The only possible way for it to lift is if the sprung mass was MORE willing to roll about the RC than the unsprung mass.

A little confused. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Never said I agreed with it. Just a thing he's insistent on. Or was, anyway.

[teemee]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Eklavya Singh:
What dampers are those? Sorry for the lack of knowledge but what's the thing at the end? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

These are ZF/Sachs TRD "Formula-Matrix" Dampers.

The "Thing" at the end are the adjusters for high- & low-speed rebound and compression stroke

PS: Don't ask for the price....

[Thrainer]

Progress:
Got the monocoque painted Saturday, are getting the suspension and engine mounted at the moment, and will have Rollout on Thursday.

Pictures from yesterday: http://www.amzracing.ch/amz/ga...il.ort?folder_id=738 (http://www.amzracing.ch/amz/galleryDetail.ort?folder_id=738)

Thomas

[Aaron@Kaist]

Finally got our car assembled!

Posting some pics
http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv102/aaronpark123/P1040139.jpg

http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv102/aaronpark123/P1040094.jpg


http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv102/aaronpark123/P1040098.jpg

http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv102/aaronpark123/P1040136.jpg

Hope to see all of you in person at West!!

KAIST FSAE 2009
Aaron Park

[Zhefei Li]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aaron@Kaist:
Finally got our car assembled!

Posting some pics
http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv102/aaronpark123/P1040139.jpg

...

Hope to see all of you in person at West!!

KAIST FSAE 2009
Aaron Park </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Is that aluminum bodywork? I like the angles.

[Aaron@Kaist]

thanks Zhefei,

not aluminum, actually the body work is all carbon fiber, but as we chose a method to work without molds, the bodywork is composed of prepreg carbon panels cut and fit to make the bodywork. Thanks again, means a lot to us.

Aaron Park
KAIST

[Eklavya Singh]

Too frikkin beautiful!!... Love it!!

Eklavya Singh
Formula Manipal

[Mikey Antonakakis]

That bodywork looks awesome! And so does the rest of the car!

[Aaron@Kaist]

Thanks again!

[Wesley]

Agreed, it's a refreshing look, all stealth-y and cool.

[Zac]

Trying to avoid the police and their radar guns?

Looks good.

[Thrainer]

Simplon is rolling, I let the pictures speek for themselves. If you have questions, feel free to ask.

http://www.amzracing.ch/amz/files/amz1061.jpg

http://www.amzracing.ch/amz/files/amz1052.jpg

http://www.amzracing.ch/amz/files/amz1025.jpg

http://www.amzracing.ch/amz/files/amz1067.jpg

Thomas
http://www.amz.ethz.ch/

[Corey H]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Thrainer:
Simplon is rolling, I let the pictures speek for themselves. If you have questions, feel free to ask.

http://www.amzracing.ch/amz/files/amz1061.jpg

http://www.amzracing.ch/amz/files/amz1052.jpg

http://www.amzracing.ch/amz/files/amz1025.jpg

http://www.amzracing.ch/amz/files/amz1067.jpg

Thomas
http://www.amz.ethz.ch/ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi, my name is Corey. I am part of an engineering team that designs and builds a small car for participation in the largest collegiate design and build competition in the world. Would you like to sponsor us?

On a serious note, when competition prices raise next year I say we vote on European teams to front the extra money as sort of a bail out for us smaller guys.

[carboneater]

the car has a nice rear part and intake system...

[Aaron@Kaist]

i would buy that car just to drive around.

[gsbhatia]

seriously, that looks really nice.

[James Morris]

Wow that car is beautiful! I’m looking forwards to seeing it at Silverstone.

Here is a sneaky peak of our car in an interim trim testing in early March.

http://www.facebook.com/video/...0397&oid=25228498955 (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=205274210397&oid=25228498955)

How are you other uk teams coming along? All the uk teams seem to be very quiet this year, our exams are over so it full blown FS season now.

James
SMU

[cmeissen]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Corey H:

Hi, my name is Corey. I am part of an engineering team that designs and builds a small car for participation in the largest collegiate design and build competition in the world. Would you like to sponsor us?

On a serious note, when competition prices raise next year I say we vote on European teams to front the extra money as sort of a bail out for us smaller guys. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I find it interesting that the largest decal on their car is " Caterpillar". I haven't checked but I am pretty sure that is a US based company. As was said previously I believe good team management and organization is the way to succeed in this competition

[blister]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I find it interesting that the largest decal on their car is " Caterpillar". I haven't checked but I am pretty sure that is a US based company. As was said previously I believe good team management and organization is the way to succeed in this competition </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are right with that, however the european/middle east base is in Geneva, Switzerland.

I think the carbon/expensive look of this car is not a result of money only (all our prepreg cost us not more than 1800 Euro. All molds are made out of MDF wood...) but of our grown knowledge in manufacturing with carbon fibers and the fact that there is a high density of carbon fibers companies in Switzerland.

[Pennyman]

Been doing some driver training/testing the past couple days.

SJSU fsae test day 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhP-iOyJuvU)

[Luniz]

Hi there...
This happened some 2 days ago, just before the car was due to be loaded onto th truck going to Silverstone.. It's been a bit hectic to swap engines back and forth (we had to disassemble another engine in order to get another reshaped camshaft and switch anti-hopping clutches), but with 6 people basically doing a 40h nonstop workshop shift, we finally made it!
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/1622/snc00059e.jpg

[MalcolmG]

do you have a bigger picture? I can't quite make out what I'm looking when I open that image on my computer then try to view it from a building on the other side of town.

[Kimmo Hirvonen]

I guess the European FS-people will see this car pretty soon but since it seems that no one from the current team has posted any pics of the new Helsinki car, I take the liberty to do so.

http://www.metropolia-motorsport.fi/uploads/images/hpf009julkkarit/auto1.jpg

http://www.metropolia-motorsport.fi/uploads/images/hpf009julkkarit/auto4.jpg

More (http://www.metropolia-motorsport.fi/index.php?page=gallery)

[Jersey Tom]

Looks great! Other than the tires (make it look slow http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif )

[Superfast Matt McCoy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jersey Tom:
Looks great! Other than the tires (make it look slow http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif ) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fantastic looking car, as usual.

Also, many things would look faster with Goodyear tires. Like my bike which has been patiently awaiting those 21" land speed tires that have been "two weeks away" for three months now.

Is there someone there that you can throw something at?

Maybe do some yelling. "Hey! Get your crap together, Matt wants his effing tires already!"

Let me know if that helps.

http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Kimmo Hirvonen]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jersey Tom:
Looks great! Other than the tires (make it look slow http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif ) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sure boys chose Hoosiers merely cause of the black & white thing going on in the car.

[Fred G]

yellow on black for the win!

http://motorsport.mech.uwa.edu.au/typo3temp/pics/d37c1adc29.jpg

http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Macros]

testing testing testing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsJt_d4uwis

[GT-R]

wow..though am quite a late to reply..but i jus had a crush on that KAIST guy's car..it genuinely represents the Korean taste..i adore to make exterior n u guys prompt me to an option of that robo-esque look..thnks a lot..well done..