FS Germany 2009, Updates, pics etc [Archive]

HenningO

08-07-2009, 11:24 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MalcolmG:
Anyone know what's happening with RMIT? I'm sure they were supposed to be going but haven't seen anything yet to suggest they're over there, including nothing on their website </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are pics of a small red carbon tub on fstotal.com

Fstotal is doing a great job, but I still miss the huge photo galleries we used to get in the good old days before social media networks....

I also really wished I could've been there this year, but couldn't get the time off

Brett Neale

08-08-2009, 01:47 AM

I'm off to FSG today, just about to leave. Should be good, my first FSG as a spectator, hopefully it's all it's cracked up to be!

Good to hear UWA is in Design Finals and RMIT were able to make it to the event too, should be good to see those Aussies on track again.

JR @ CFS

08-08-2009, 02:33 AM

Any chance of a few updates for those of us with rediculously slow internet connections!

FStotal.com

08-08-2009, 03:16 AM

First results published. Many thanks to ISTUFF for providing a livestream at our website.

Kevin Thomassen

08-08-2009, 11:08 AM

http://thomassenkevin.blogspot.com/

pictures of the autocross

HenningO

08-08-2009, 11:14 AM

Kevin asked me to post a link to his blog with photos from the sprint/autocross

thomassenkevin dot blogspot dot com

Brett Neale

08-08-2009, 12:31 PM

Just got back from Hockenheim, and I gotta say I was blown away by how awesome this event is! The venue, the setup, the quality of teams, everything was top notch, it's a credit to the FSG organisers!

Anyways, the main highlight of today was probably Stuttgart's amazing Autocross performances. Early in the piece their first driver set a high 54.9s lap with one cone (which was 1.8-2s faster than anyone else at the time!), which stood until the second half of the session where Michael put down an amazing 54.188. Later on these times started dropping though, but the way the laps were done was impressive to say the least.

More impressive performances came from Oregon State who's highly skilled second driver was pushing at the limit to take second fastest, and also from Delft who went out late and benefited from the cleaner, rubbered track to post third fastest.

For the Aussies out there, RMIT posted good (maybe top 15?) Autocross and Skidpad times with UWA not far behind in both events, but UWA posted a better time than RMIT in Acceleration.

IMO, my best sounding car award goes to Braunschweig, closely followed by TU München. I'm quite partial to the scream of a nicely tuned 4-cyl http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm looking forward to tomorrow's enduro, should be epic!

TMichaels

08-09-2009, 01:55 AM

I recommend having a look at the official FSG homepage: www.formulastudent.de (http://www.formulastudent.de) . Usually they have updates during the day and at the end of the day where all information regarding the results are published.

Regards,

Tobi

JeffreyH

08-09-2009, 04:01 AM

Has anyone found a live stream of the endurance event which isn't horribly overloaded? I get smooth patches of audio and the odd near-still image.

JR @ CFS

08-09-2009, 04:12 AM

Jeff, I've found the same thing all weekend, so you are not alone. I got the uninterupted audio even on a superfast connection.

JeffreyH

08-09-2009, 04:31 AM

Heh, I'm glad it's not just my internet connection at home. The audio is still worth listening to though.

Gurkaran

08-09-2009, 09:37 AM

what happened to RMIT? real shame for them..
Delft too.. felt pretty bad for the team last year at US, bad luck to them..

Well done to our boys for making it through..guessing Stuttgart have it covered at the moment, but top effort from our boys there.. well done.

TMichaels

08-09-2009, 09:58 AM

3 (Helsinki UAS, TU Delft and Oregan State) of the fastest 4 cars in the autocross did not manage to finish endurance. Helsinkis Gearbox failed, Oregan State lost their muffler. Don't know what happened to Delft, but looked like an engine failure.

Regards,

Tobi

Brett Neale

08-09-2009, 11:11 AM

Yeah it was a bit of a let-down considering 3 of the last 4 cars had to pull out, would have been a close second stint between Helsinki, Delft and Stuttgart, all three were lapping pretty similar times in the second half. And damn Oregon's car was loud after that muffler fell off!

Big congrats go to the Stuttgart crew, another amazing competition for die Weltmeisters! It seems pretty clear that this year's FSG is another big win for them. After seeing their performance in Australia it was hard to believe it could get better, but they've stepped it up another notch with this year's car. Silky smooth driving, extremely fast, and a great bunch of guys to boot, hopefully the success can continue!

I'm pretty sure UWA have second place in Enduro stitched up, Pete Marsh was putting in some blazingly fast laps towards the end of his stint, and he didn't hit a single cone. They probably would have placed higher than Delft if they finished I think. Their second driver put in a solid drive too, only a couple of cones and not too far of their star driver. I wouldn't be surprised if a top-5 finish comes to them, well done guys!

I feel for the RMIT guys, many of them are on their last comp and it would have been great to see them finish that enduro. When I left they weren't sure what happened, car just died and was turning over fine, just not firing. That 2008/09 car has been a bit of trouble for them, hopefully their 2009/10 car can give them a lift at FSAE-A this year! Also, thanks guys for letting me hang around like a bad smell all weekend, greatly appreciated!

FSG was such an awesome experience, I'll definitely do anything I can to be here next year! Pity I couldn't stay for the after-party, I'm sure plenty of litres of beer will be consumed in the coming hours. Party on!

FStotal.com

08-09-2009, 03:09 PM

Winner Overall Formula Student Germany:

http://www.fstotal.com/images/content/2009-FSG-Winner-overall.jpg

1. Uni Stuttgart
2. Hatfield
3. Perth (UWA)

Congrats to Stuttgart and all other teams, but will not forget the Organisers, Sponsors, Judges, and Stuff for making the competitin so unbelivable great.

flavorPacket

08-10-2009, 03:14 AM

Congrats to everyone who competed. FSG09 was my 8th and final event, and also my favorite. I cannot say enough about the organization, the volunteers, and the competition (not to mention my hangover right now). We are thrilled to finish 5th, and look forward to an even better competition next year.

Ryan Kraft
Team Captain
University of Michigan

JVC

08-10-2009, 03:17 PM

To shed some light on what happened to our car: a bonded joint in our drive train failed (you could hear the engine going up in the rev-limiter). Nevertheless we have an amazing event to look back on. Once more congratulations to Stuttgart, and thank you for the nice competition.

Also a big compliment goes to the organisation, continuously improving this already outstanding event.

For all of those craving for more pictures, I'll try and have some online asap. In the meanwhile I suggest to have a look at "Arnold TV" (just type it in in youtube, and you'll find it). This will give you a video impression of the event. Yes, it is in German, Dutch and English, but there are English subtitles. Footage of the last day is still to be processed though, so stay tuned...

Julien

Chris_S

08-10-2009, 04:42 PM

Results are up: http://www.formulastudent.de/u..._Overall_Results.pdf (http://www.formulastudent.de/uploads/media/2009_FSG_Overall_Results.pdf)

Anyone know how teams managed to score fuel economy despite not getting an endurance score (so presumable not finishing)?

Zac

08-10-2009, 07:38 PM

In the event of a failure, you can get a partial score for fuel economy based on laps completed.

Dan Deussen @ Weber Motor

08-11-2009, 03:36 AM

Here at FSG we modified the rules a little. If you compete for more than 50% in endurance you are competing for fuel economy points no matter if you finish or not.

Andy Tomlin

08-11-2009, 03:42 AM

A massive thank you from myself and Brunel Racing to everyone who made FSG09 such an amazing event. This was my last event as a competitor and I couldn't have hoped for a better one!

We loved that there was so much competition at the front from the top US and Australian teams, along with all the regulars from Europe, it made our best ever FSG placing seem even better!

While we still managed to finish the endurance, I'm not sure that many people (other than Pat Clark...) noticed that we had a pretty large failure during our second driver stint where all of the shims (4-5mm or so) fell out of our rear left top upright clevis, resulting in about 5 deg of toe out on one side when we crossed the line, and dropping our final 6 laps times by 10 seconds http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Big thanks to our driver who managed to limp us home without ripping off a rear wheel http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Finally, I'd like to say a big congrats to Herts (for their 2nd overall place), Cambridge (for their 2nd in Cost) and all the other UK teams for their showing in FSG http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hopefully see you all next year as a spectator!

Mike Cook

08-11-2009, 04:49 AM

I didn't see Oregon on the final results?

Kevin Thomassen

08-11-2009, 05:12 AM

More pictures from the Event and the endurance...
Formula Student Germany 2009 Endurance (http://thomassenkevin.blogspot.com/)

Kevin Thomassen

08-11-2009, 05:17 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mike Cook:
I didn't see Oregon on the final results? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Place 21

Bazanaius

08-11-2009, 05:40 AM

As always we had a great time at FSG. This was my last event with the team and so the fact that we didn't run in Germany (we had her going at UK!) was hugely frustrating.

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all those who helped out with our engine troubles on Friday and Saturday - particularly those at Brunel, Birmingham and Paderborn who couldn't have done more.

As far as organisation goes, of course the FSG event is one of the best - My only criticism is that I feel it is starting to miss the point. Formula Student is an educational tool, not a formula racing series - teams spend 11 months building a prototype and more often than not the car reflects this. Unfortunately a small minority of judges appear to have forgotten this and have been very unprofessional in their approach. I think Pat summed it up very well in his words about Alan Staniforth at the awards ceremony - it is about passing on knowledge. If something is wrong it should be highlighted and the students should understand why before they leave the competition - in the case of safety concerns these should be fixed as well. Damaging cars does not help the teams learn, and it certainly doesn't reflect well on the judges or the competition they are representing.

Massive congratulations to all who competed and particularly those who took the spoils - as always it was brilliant to see great cars being driven at the limit.

Marshall Grice

08-11-2009, 07:43 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dan Deussen @ Weber Motor:
Here at FSG we modified the rules a little. If you compete for more than 50% in endurance you are competing for fuel economy points no matter if you finish or not. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

must be pretty easy to win the fuel event when you only run half the endurance. That doesn't seem right.

sscollins

08-11-2009, 08:17 AM

I heard about the Herts result today - superb.

By the way this promo is only live for 24 hours more (Free racecar engineering)

http://fsae.com/eve/forums/a/t...25607348/m/345100192 (http://fsae.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/125607348/m/345100192)

MalcolmG

08-11-2009, 08:43 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Marshall Grice:

must be pretty easy to win the fuel event when you only run half the endurance. That doesn't seem right. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

seems pretty obvious that if you didn't do a full endurance, fuel use would be extrapolated for a full endurance based on the number of laps completed.

HenningO

08-11-2009, 08:50 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Marshall Grice:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dan Deussen @ Weber Motor:
Here at FSG we modified the rules a little. If you compete for more than 50% in endurance you are competing for fuel economy points no matter if you finish or not. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

must be pretty easy to win the fuel event when you only run half the endurance. That doesn't seem right. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Obviously the formula for calculating the score takes the number of finished laps into account...

Jeong-neon Kim

08-11-2009, 09:58 AM

Does any one have more pictures of parts of FS car? I'd really want to see more.

Dan Deussen @ Weber Motor

08-11-2009, 10:31 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Marshall Grice:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dan Deussen @ Weber Motor:
Here at FSG we modified the rules a little. If you compete for more than 50% in endurance you are competing for fuel economy points no matter if you finish or not. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

must be pretty easy to win the fuel event when you only run half the endurance. That doesn't seem right. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It is not easy, because we take the number of finished laps into account. We also balance the fuel economy with the average lap times a team put down. Check the FSG 2009 rules for details.

JamesWolak

08-11-2009, 11:58 AM

The top 10 acceleration times seem slower then they usually are. Is the course longer/uphill or was it weather related?

Dan Deussen @ Weber Motor

08-11-2009, 12:22 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JamesWolak:
The top 10 acceleration times seem slower then they usually are. Is the course longer/uphill or was it weather related? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The accel track is on the start/finish straight of the Hockenheimring. It is pretty much flat, but there was no sun shining during the event. I think the track surface temp was a few degrees lower than last year that is why the times were higher this year. In general I have to say the starting technique a lot of the drivers used was quite sub-optimal. Quite a few cars seemed to use launch control systems which seemed to result in repetitive runs but it appeared that they wasted potential of the car.

Also a lot of teams waste the 30cm staging distance to the light gate because they start rolling toward the start line before they get on the throttle. Some even do a small jump when they insert a gear.

My suggestion to the accel drivers is to stay on the brake padel hard until you are really ready to put the pedal to the metal.

flavorPacket

08-11-2009, 01:53 PM

We had lots of wheelspin problems on track, only managing a best of 4.16. It was very slippery, and we unfortunately adjusted our launch control the wrong way for our second driver. Kiel, we'll get you next year!

Ryan Kraft
Team Captain
University of Michigan

Dan Deussen @ Weber Motor

08-11-2009, 02:11 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by flavorPacket:
We had lots of wheelspin problems on track, only managing a best of 4.16. It was very slippery, and we unfortunately adjusted our launch control the wrong way for our second driver. Kiel, we'll get you next year! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It would be nice if people could make it more obvious who they refer to when they say "we"! ;-)

Donna

08-12-2009, 03:03 AM

This was my first time at FSG, and I have to say it was an amazing experience. I can't wait to come back! Congrats to Stuttgart, and to Herts for top UK team. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

My particular thanks go to Cambridge and Birmingham (for the banter), Paderborn (for the music in the pits!), Freiberg (for the beer) and to Lions, since half of our team now have their shirts! http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I won't be back competing until 2011, but hopefully I can make it next year as a spectator.

Kimmo Hirvonen

08-17-2009, 06:37 AM

This is a bit late but here's some of my best shots from FSG09:
http://hirppa.kuvat.fi/kuvat/FSAE/FSG09/

Same ones and some other will be at FSG-website also. I'm lacking the ones from the sunday award ceremony. I'll add them to that site if I'll get them.

Particularly this one shot might be worth mentioning. Last year I saw Stuttgart car lifting all the tires from the ground at the same time but my trigger finger wasn't fast enough. This year I had practiced and captured Esslingen car "flying". Unfortunately it is a bit unsharp so still something to improve for next year.
Here it is:
http://hirppa.kuvat.fi/kuvat/FSAE/FSG09/20090809_15-03-56_7939_Hirvonen.JPG/_smaller.jpg

If someone wants original sized ones -> PM.

Trevor

08-17-2009, 09:49 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I didn't see Oregon on the final results? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

For those who don't know, we had the rivits on our muffler case shear off and got meatballed for losing the part on track.

With Delft and Helsinki DNFing as well, it made for a rather anti-climactic endurance. Still congrats to Stuttgart, who brought their top game as usual.

JVC

08-18-2009, 12:32 AM

The finale was indeed a bit anti-climatic, maybe bizarre even, but it doesn't make the achievement of Stuttgart any less.

I finally got round to placing my pictures online as well. You can find them here (http://gallery.me.com/julienvancampen#100106). It's probably not too hard to tell the pre- and post-enduro pics apart, most of them are of happier times though.

Julien

JamesWolak

08-19-2009, 01:43 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dan Deussen @ Weber Motor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JamesWolak:
The top 10 acceleration times seem slower then they usually are. Is the course longer/uphill or was it weather related? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The accel track is on the start/finish straight of the Hockenheimring. It is pretty much flat, but there was no sun shining during the event. I think the track surface temp was a few degrees lower than last year that is why the times were higher this year. In general I have to say the starting technique a lot of the drivers used was quite sub-optimal. Quite a few cars seemed to use launch control systems which seemed to result in repetitive runs but it appeared that they wasted potential of the car.

Also a lot of teams waste the 30cm staging distance to the light gate because they start rolling toward the start line before they get on the throttle. Some even do a small jump when they insert a gear.

My suggestion to the accel drivers is to stay on the brake padel hard until you are really ready to put the pedal to the metal. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I find it hard to believe that driver error was the main issue with all the teams. TU Graz and UofM both trapped some impressive times at MIS that they didnt repeat at FSG.

I just find it strange. Usually MIS accel times are a tad low because the track temps are not very hot.

Dan Deussen @ Weber Motor

08-20-2009, 02:48 AM

James,

the TU Graz car at MIS '09 was their '08 car. Their car at GSG '09 was their '09 car so you cannot compare them.

The accel track was the same as last year where we had multiple sub 4 second runs. The track temp was not quite as warm as last year, because the sun was hiding behind clouds this year.

Again, there were a few cars that did a good job at staging and launching their cars and a whole bunch that messed it up. That is my obersvation as event captain and starter with many year and hundreds of launches of experience as an accel driver for FSAE.

I would advise all teams to first of all practice staging and making sure your car does not roll forward before you are really ready to go. Then I would say most teams need to work on their clutching technique. I saw many cars bogging the engine rpm down way too much at launch and not get any desired wheelspin.

JamesWolak

08-20-2009, 08:19 AM

Thanks Dan. I didn't know that TU Graz was running their 09 car (which makes sense). Flavorpacket is from UofM and his comments explains why their times were a tad shy of what they ran at MIS.

I also didn't see that you were on SVSU's team. Which proves you obviously you know all about running 4.0X accel runs.

Thrainer

08-25-2009, 03:52 AM

What a great event. I enjoyed getting to know more international teams. Unfortunately, we didn't have the setup to compete at the very top.

I was Zurich's second acceleration driver (4.16 s) and even though we adjusted in the right direction, I simply didn't expect so little grip. Temperature might have been the problem. Grip level was similar to Melk (FS Austria), where we managed to improve a bit with more help from our ECU. I hope Italy will be good for 3.9 s runs or lower (but with 75 m).

Does anyone have video footage or at least pictures of our second endurance driver's 540° spin/donut in the hairpin? He didn't hit a cone and still managed a 60 s lap. I can't believe noone has caught that.

This year, we continued our tradition from Silverstone last year and broke the car before endurance in all three events. Still, we've finished six endurances in a row. In FSG, we discovered that our tie rod buckled on the practice track. It was damaged during the design event. With the help from TU Wien (self-made oven using a heat gun and plastic bow), we cut and bonded a new one within 60 minutes.

Thomas
AMZ - Zurich
Drivetrain, Bondings, Business Plan, Acceleration

poe21

08-25-2009, 07:43 AM

can anybody tell me what the fastest endurance lap was. I have been watching the vids, but they only cover like the first 12 teams.

thanks
poe

Dave Evans

08-25-2009, 07:51 AM

poe,

Below is a link to the FSG endurance lap times:
I'd imagine Stuttgart had the quickest lap, but none of the time show how many cones were counted.

http://www.formulastudent.de/u...Laptimes_Results.pdf (http://www.formulastudent.de/uploads/media/2009_FSG_Endurance_Laptimes_Results.pdf)

Dave Evans

08-25-2009, 07:53 AM

All of the FSG results and times can be found here:
http://www.formulastudent.de/e.../event-2009/results/ (http://www.formulastudent.de/events/event-2009/results/)

Philipp Bachmann

08-25-2009, 02:19 PM

Hi poe21,

just look here: http://www.formulastudent.de/u...Laptimes_Results.pdf (http://www.formulastudent.de/uploads/media/2009_FSG_Endurance_Laptimes_Results.pdf)

for the best laptime of stuttgart... the same procedure as every year :-)

bob.paasch

08-25-2009, 03:33 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by poe21:
can anybody tell me what the fastest endurance lap was. I have been watching the vids, but they only cover like the first 12 teams.

thanks
poe </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lap times are posted on the FSG website. Fastest lap was Uni Stuttgart, 54,00.

poe21

08-28-2009, 08:21 AM

thanks guys... now anybody got any video of them doing it. The 60 second lap times I saw were blistering, I would like to see the 54-55 second range.

RenM

08-29-2009, 08:11 AM

you can see the full endurance on www.formulastudent.tv (http://www.formulastudent.tv)

poe21

08-29-2009, 07:53 PM

Thanks so much. I have been looking all over for it. Took me a while to find the last 4 cars. Stuttgart was ridiculous fast. That sucks for Helsinki, Delft, and especially OSU who were still running just very loudly!! Thanks again!!

firebolt

09-02-2009, 08:46 AM

what are the maximum engine capacity that can be used in FSG....are there any specifis parameters of the car for participation....Also what should be the max length and breadth of the car...max weight of the car.

Dave Evans

09-02-2009, 12:56 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by firebolt:
what are the maximum engine capacity that can be used in FSG....are there any specifis parameters of the car for participation....Also what should be the max length and breadth of the car...max weight of the car. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://www.formulastudent.de/e...important-documents/ (http://www.formulastudent.de/events/event-2009/rules-important-documents/)
and
http://students.sae.org/compet...formulaseries/rules/ (http://students.sae.org/competitions/formulaseries/rules/)

PatClarke

09-02-2009, 09:30 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">what are the maximum engine capacity that can be used in FSG....are there any specifis parameters of the car for participation....Also what should be the max length and breadth of the car...max weight of the car. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Firebolt (or Ameya)

You have done it again! You emailed me with this question last week. I responded with all the information you needed and you acknowledged this email.

Then 2 days later you posted the same request at the FSG forum. Again I responded, suggesting that the question only needed to be asked once if it was attended to.

Now two days later, I see your post again (this time inappropriately as you have hijacked a thread).

As I asked before, are you looking for a different answer? If so, then say so! All your questions are answered in the FSAE rules and they are REALLY (caps intended)easy to find!

In both previous responses it was mentioned about rudeness in emails and posting. I will mention it again. Thread hijacking is rude!

Pat Clarke

Pennyman

09-02-2009, 10:41 PM

Thought I'd do the thread a favor...

It was my first time in Germany, and my first time leaving the country, and I have to say I was absolutely impressed. I had so much fun and learned a lot. I feel like I should learn German now, as it seems like Germany appreciates engineering more than the states.

In short, It was a great experience, even though I was just spectating. I hope to be back next year, with or without a car.