FSG registration quiz questions

[Diablo_niterider]

hey everyone,

i was wondering if u guys would share the questions being asked in the sample questionnaire,

i was asked ,

What is the exact name of the standard that the provided charging connector is compliant to?
A1: IEC 60308
A2: IEC 60309
A3: IEC 60307
A4: IEC 60306

The Maxwell equations are the basics of electrical engineering. Which of the following equations is not part of Maxwell's equations?
A1: div D = rho
A2: div B = 0
A3: div E = phi

were you guys asked the same?
neways,
Happy New year

[Simon Dingle]

Hey,

Yeah, I was asked the exact same questions.

[RollingCamel]

Yeah, the same here.

[TMichaels]

Hi all,
to clear things up:
These are FSE sample questions, so don't worry if you are an FSG only team.

Regards,

Tobias

[Shashi]

Technical Director '10-??

wow! I'll send my kids to join the team with you!

[Lorenzo Pessa]

FSG early registration: it was so cool!

Lorenzo

[RollingCamel]

We barely made it to the final "other" slot in the FS Germany.

Now we must prove ourselves worthy of the competition. Germany here we come!!

[Dali]

Does anybody remember some of the quiz questions they asked on 6th january for the early registration? http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Lorenzo Pessa]

the only one I remember was about the standard of driver safety equipment (or something like that).

Lorenzo

[TMichaels]

The old questions will not help you that much, because we are using a different set of questions for each part of the registration e.g. FSG Early Registration, FSE Registration and FSG Normal Registration.

Regards,

Tobias

[RollingCamel]

It was all from the rules and easy.
What type of material used in the fire extinguisher.
Allowable free play in the steering.
Max distance of the top of the main hope and its bracing.
How many papers that cost report should be.
There was one standard question. What standard of something i don't remember we should not use.

More of that stuff. It was an enjoyable experience. We split into 3 groups, 2 went to net cafe with high speed connection and the others went to Bibliotheca Alexandrina ehm..to take advantage of its huge bandwidth and in case if something goes wrong in the net cafe. The other 2 groups thought that they could beat my group to it, but the RollingCamel dominates....muhahaha!
Excuse me that i suffer the delusion of greatness, thanks to Avatar. A boring stupid movie with no script and with a great delusion of greatness.

[Bemo]

Does anyone know how long it took until the 78 slots were full? I'm just curious how fast you had to do the quiz to be in.
And what was the fastest time?

[Dali]

i think the fastest was about 50 seconds ... and the last slot was full after approx. 9 Minutes...

Regards,
Dalibor

[Bemo]

Thanks Dalibor.

Big sorry to all the teams who didn't make it and congrats to those who did.

[BeunMan]

1:38 was fastest for non pre-reg teams, if I remember correctly.

We had three teams of 3 people working on it with three different internetconnections. Just to be sure. It took us about 2:50 to complete. The key was to awnser the questions correctly without mistakes the first time. This resulted in the nineth correct submit for normal registration.

Lots of teams on the waiting list though, but we will see which teams on the pending list pay before the deadline ends and clear up space for the waiting teams.

Yours,

Tristan Timmermans
Chief Electonics DUT10
DUT Racing Team

[Bemo]

We had quite a similar system for the fse-registration on Friday. It took us 3:35. After 5 minutes all 12 slots were full.
We'll see how many teams from the waiting list will be able to compete this year. Last year every team which submitted all documents was able to compete. I think in the end one slot even remained unused.

[TMichaels]

Hi,
the fastest team registered on 12:01:45.470 the last team getting a regular slot registered at 12:09:38.300.

Regards,

Tobias

[Thrainer]

We had a safe pre-registration slot from top10 FSG09, but wanted to save the world from certain extinction by saving some C02 and what did we get... a spot on the waiting list of FSE. Our own fault. I hope they'll increase the number of slots to let us ignorant people compete as well.

Has anybody checked how many teams were able to register two cars?

Thomas

[Donna]

Originally posted by TMichaels:
Hi,
the fastest team registered on 12:01:45.470


I hope this bodes well for competition! I wasn't involved with this year's registration, but I do think this an improvement. Maybe the same should be done for receiving a number in the scrutineering queue at competition...

[Bemo]

As far as I know they are already planning to do another quiz for scrutineering order.

[TMichaels]

@Bemo and Donna:
Exactly that is how the scrutineering queue slots will be determined: With another fabulous rules quiz! http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Regards,

Tobias

[Dave Evans]

That's good news! Especially for those people that normally queue for days at the registration like FSG09!

[RollingCamel]

Another?? What other queue?

[TMichaels]

There will be another quiz determining the scrutineering queue order.

Regards,

Tobias

[Simon Dingle]

Tobias,

I've got to say I'm very happy about that. I don't think the registration queue was too bad last year as the weather was fine, but if it were raining, it would have been a horrible experience.

I realise that it's too late to do it this year, but for future years, could this not be consolidated into a single quiz? I.e. your registration position also determines your queue position.

I know this might sound quite empty and easy for me to say as we got a fast registration time, but it seems a little pointless to have two tests on the same subject.

[TMichaels]

Simon,
where should the early registration teams be sorted in then?

Regards,

Tobias

[RollingCamel]

Originally posted by TMichaels:
There will be another quiz determining the scrutineering queue order.

Regards,

Tobias

Ah ok, i downloaded the handbook.

[Bemo]

Originally posted by RollingCamel:
Ah ok, i downloaded the handbook.

That's definitely a good idea ;-)

[TMichaels]

The available handbook is the Event Handbook 2009. The information contained is obsolete.

Regards,

Tobias

[Tobias Hoernig]

Has anybody checked how many teams were able to register two cars?

Thomas

10 Universities were able to register two cars
no.11 TU Bratislava is on the FSG 2010 waiting list
and no.12 Mosbach is a newcomer who only starts with an e-car.

[Simon Dingle]

where should the early registration teams be sorted in then?

Each team has a time that it took them to complete the test, starting from the time that their respective registration event started. Why not rank all teams in order of that time?

Obviously it couldn't happen this year, but it would save time in future years.

[TMichaels]

This would not be fair, because there is of course a different set of questions for the early registration, for FSE registration and for normal FSG registration.
Furthermore the early registration teams for example from the FS-World ranking list do not need to hurry during the quiz as they get a dedicated slot.
Therefore the "quiz complete"-times are and will not be comparable between early FSG, FSE and normal FSG registration.

Regards,

Tobias

[RollingCamel]

Plus wrong answers were marked and i had 3 on my first try and was quite a nice feature http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

[JVC]

Originally posted by Thrainer:
We had a safe pre-registration slot from top10 FSG09, but wanted to save the world from certain extinction by saving some C02 and what did we get... a spot on the waiting list of FSE. Our own fault. I hope they'll increase the number of slots to let us ignorant people compete as well.

Thomas, I'm very sorry to hear this happened. But I would like to stress here that FSG and FSE are two separate competitions. Meaning that also in the foreseeable future it will not be possible to use early registration slots for one event for the other and vice versa.


Originally posted by RollingCamel:
Plus wrong answers were marked and i had 3 on my first try and was quite a nice feature http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif .

Sadly for you they are not any more. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif As to say, the registration quiz is a new feature this year, and therefore still under development. And because the perfect system doesn't exist we are of course open to suggestions.


Originally posted by Simon Dingle:
Each team has a time that it took them to complete the test, starting from the time that their respective registration event started. Why not rank all teams in order of that time?

Besides from it being unfair, since the question set differs between preregistration and registration, there would be another issue. The objective for registerion and that of the location in the scrutineering queue might be two completely different things.

Regards,
Julien

[blister]

I think also that a quiz is the better option than fast clicking. I know that it is a looot more work to do, but even better would be an application document describing the team and the car.

However I am also very sad that we did not get on the FSE list directly. But it was clearly our fault, something went terribly wrong while registrating. There is one FSE competition, you are working on it since months and you know that you probably won`t drive any real competition.

So the target is now to beat the old ICE car in any discipline ;-)

[TMichaels]

Originally posted by blister:
I know that it is a looot more work to do, but even better would be an application document describing the team and the car.

Hell yes, it will be a lot more work!
Just think about reading 150 applications and then find a way to decide! Teams would really have a cause to complain then since that would be extremely subjective!
The other problem is: Paper is tolerant.
Teams often write a wishlist instead of a design report. I know what I am talking about since I read all the design reports of FSG2009.

A quiz is objective, since it only depends on the team's preparation and every team has the same chances to pass it.
And the best is: A quiz cannot be photoshopped http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Regards,

Tobias

[Jimmy_seven]

Originally posted by blister:
There is one FSE competition, you are working on it since months and you know that you probably won`t drive any real competition.

Are you not entering class 1A at Silverstone?

[blister]

Are you not entering class 1A at Silverstone?


Well we have applied for it. However i think that FSE has "better" rules for electric cars. Mainly the Sustainability Report should be traded for the cost report

[Bemo]

There are several differences in the rules of FSE and Class 1A at FSUK which make it difficult to build a car which is competitive at both events.
The goal for the future should be to make equal rules to make it possible to start with an electric car at several comps without changing it, like it is in regular FSAE comps.

[murpia]

Originally posted by blister:
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Well we have applied for it. However i think that FSE has "better" rules for electric cars. Mainly the Sustainability Report should be traded for the cost report </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

One of the objectives of Class 1A is to highlight the trade-offs between technologies. A team deciding to enter Class 1A should decide for themselves what technology offers the best solution to the 'problem' of low-carbon emitting race-cars. That may not be pure electric, especially if the construction of the batteries means they take a lot of energy to manufacture or use rare materials. This is why the Sustainability report replaces the Cost report, as it better captures this effect. It's directly related to the push towards full-vehicle-lifecycle carbon emissions vs. just focusing on fuel consumption.

By allowing only electric race-cars, the FSE competition could be accused of being too narrow-minded as to the correct technical solution for low-carbon emitting race-cars, as could also the Formula Hybrid competition. However, motorsport is rarely a level playing field and this may not be an issue for many people.

What counts most to me is the educational experience of the competing team members. Unfortunately safety issues with compressed flammable gases and high-voltage electricity do mean that some car design aspects need to be prescribed rather than left open to the team's ingenuity. One educational opportunity present in Class 1A (although not always taken, unfortunately) is the chance to analyse all the possible technical options and picking the 'best' one. This is not present to such a great degree in FSE or Formula Hybrid.

FSUK Class 1A is not perfect and serves to highlight some of the problems about getting accurate data as to the true impact of manufacturing and operating a race-car over it's whole life (and then recycling it afterwards, or not). However at least it is trying and that should be recognized.

Regards, Ian
(Class 1A Design Judge Team Leader 2009)

[blister]

Hi Ian,

Don`t get me wrong on that, I don`t mean that the sustainability report itself is not a good thing. I`m just think, that doing the cost report for FSE and Sust. Report for Class 1A is alot more work to do. If i could choose i`d go for the cost report, it would just be less work (At least I`m honest)

Even though we had always in mind to build a pure electric lightweight car, we were not sure for a long time if FSE is really going to happen. We always planned with the Class1A rules in mind. BUT this is a completely different approach than that of the Hybrid car from ETH we saw last year, which was 400kg without driver (but powerful and quite fast (for 5 mins))

Regards, Urs

[Thrainer]

Now after having done both the cost report and the sustainability report, I must say the latter is much easier to do and less nonsense. At least you get a parts list with weights in the end, not only a giant excel file with data you never wanted to know. Even when ignoring the AIRs disaster, the sustainability event was much less painful for me.

Concerning the registration, it seems that there are open slots for FSE now, only 16 cars left after 25 tried to register.

Regards,
Thomas

[TMichaels]

Originally posted by Thrainer:
Concerning the registration, it seems that there are open slots for FSE now, only 16 cars left after 25 tried to register.


No, not really, because the registration period ended on 30th April 2010.

Regards,

Tobias