RaceCar Engineering FSAE Articles

[Dave M]

The september issue has some good info. Paul Van Valkenburgh has some good articles on the event, tire temps (so good), and innovation. I like his desire for creating an oval race (invite only). That would mix things up a bit. Hope I didnt give too much away.

[Dave M]

The september issue has some good info. Paul Van Valkenburgh has some good articles on the event, tire temps (so good), and innovation. I like his desire for creating an oval race (invite only). That would mix things up a bit. Hope I didnt give too much away.

[Erich Ohlde]

I really like the thought of one competition in detroit for industry to recruit people from and a second competition that is invite only that race teams can recruit from.

[Agent4573]

i've just been informed that I'm in one of the pictures published. You can look for me on page 48.... I'm in the rutgers formula racing shirt....

[StoopidSavant]

And guess who took that shot? hehe

But I agree, he has a lot of good info, and while not necessarily flattering, I think he does make a very good point (as has been discussed here numerous times) about innovation vs. taking the safe path.

[Dan G]

I haven't read the article yet, but I'm supposed to have a photo credit too.

For this shot I took of UWA's suspension...
http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/FSAE05/IMG_1755.thumb.jpg (http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/FSAE05/IMG_1755)

Guess I should mosey on over to the bookstore and check out the article.

[StoopidSavant]

I saw that picture in there and I thought it was you, Dan. RCE is expensive though, being a British-made magazine. My copy cost $8. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[Dan G]

Yeah, too expensive for my blood. I'll probably buy this issue since I'm in it, but typically I just take an hour at B&N or Borders and read it every month.

I tried to get the nice lady that asked to use my shot to hook me up with a free issue or discounted subcription, but she politely ignored my request. Never hurts to try though. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Dan G]

Just picked it up. $9. But there's 4 separate FSAE-focused articles in there, 12 pages in all. Van Valkenburgh's V-Angles column, a separate article by VV on the importance of tire temperatures in the event, the US FSAE coverage, and the FStudent coverage. So even at $9, its a pretty good one to pick up.

I haven't even read it yet, but I did see my picture on p. 58. I've got top billing in the photo credits at the beginning of the article, even though thats the only one I think I took.

[Homemade WRX]

It is a great magazine but is quite expensive. I also can't buy it locally so that allows me to drive to school for a day...

[Storbeck]

I just got the online subscribtion, it's quite a bit less expensive and there is no lag time. Something to look into.

[Dan G]

I've thought about the online subscription, but something bugs me about paying that much for something that really doesn't cost them anything (once the infrastructure is setup). At least a $90/yr paper subscription goes toward shipping those puppies across the atlantic.

[Jetser]

I've just got a copy a RC Engineering, p59: "At just 168kg (398lb), the Pennsylvania State entry was the lightest car ever to appear in an FSAE event"
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[kwancho]

... It says 369lb on mine.

[CMURacing - Prometheus]

there's two semi-factual errors like that (the biggest problem with superlatives is they're almost never true)...it was probably the lightest four-cylinder car ever, but certainly not the lightest overall.

additionally, the cone throttle stuff is wrong. oxford brookes was not the first team to run a throttle like this, we were, back in 2002. ask dan g about it. oxford brookes was the first team to make it work well, since they turned it into a longer term project.

[terra_dactile]

hi
in racetech issue no.55 from last year were they covered fsae, Pat Clarke mentions a car from Lehigh University that weighed mere 137 kg or 301 lbs, but the i believe the lightest car ever in any competition would have to be Delft universities entry last year at formula student, it weighed some were around 125 kg or about 275lbs

JUDE BERTHAULT
ETS Formula Sae
STEERING DIRECTOR

[drivetrainUW-Platt]

I have heard of numerous mistakes in these articles....but, if you look at the number of FSAE members vs the number of general public that reads it, its not that big of a deal. We all know what the correct numbers are, so I wouldnt really go into a big fuss about it. They are one of the few publicity orginizations that acutally publicise our competitions so thats worth giving them some respect.

[Angry Joe]

Maybe. But when you have miserible time at competition, it would be nice to at least get recognition for what you achieve...

Our car was the lightest as of 2004 FSAE at 301 lbs.

[Dan G]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CMURacing - Prometheus:
additionally, the cone throttle stuff is wrong. oxford brookes was not the first team to run a throttle like this, we were, back in 2002. ask dan g about it. oxford brookes was the first team to make it work well, since they turned it into a longer term project. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

True.

http://fsae.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/125607348/m/5146...356008803#9356008803 (http://fsae.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/125607348/m/5146093303/r/9356008803#9356008803)

Those darn youngsters have screwed up the website I started (new one looks great guys, seriously!), so here's those original pictures from April '03...

http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/ConeTB/throttle2.thumb.jpg http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/ConeTB/intake_side.thumb.jpg http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/ConeTB/102_0283.thumb.jpg http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/ConeTB/102_0277.thumb.jpg (http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/ConeTB)

[CMURacing - Prometheus]

its a common problem in journalism to get errors like this...the saying goes that as soon as you publish the superlative, you discover that your facts were wrong and it wasn't the lightest/first/greatest whatever. such are the joys of the internet for journalists...

[drivetrainUW-Platt]

The team in the tent with Helsinki had a similar "plunger" tb, how did it work for you, looks heavy!

[CMURacing - Prometheus]

to put it simply, mike, it didn't. we dyno'd the 04 evolution shortly after competition, and i believe it was making something like 40hp, with some serious throttle control problems. the team in the tent with helsinki was oxford brookes, they've spent a long time developing theirs. if we were to put someone on it now with the hopes of using it in '07 or '08, i suspect we could be where they are, but the team (myself included) have abandoned the crazy projects for now, to establish a repeatably solid car.

[ss_collins]

Re: car weight...

I said so when I read the proofs of that page but as I didn't have any figures to hand I couldn't say for sure - and yes the delft car last year at 125kg (or was it the year before?) is the lightest I've heard of. Though a lot of the US based guys tend to overlook our lil 'ol european event.

Bit concerned about the way you guys describe the mag as expensive - what would you say is more reasonable? (not saying we are changing anything - we are at the mercy of the exchange rate)

Sam
Deputy Editor
Racecar Engineering

[Storbeck]

Just got my October issure online, I'm a big fan of the online deal for this mag, less expensive and gets here sooner.

Only thing is that the online scan is not as sharp as I'd like it to be. Some of the really really small print in captions and whatnot is not readable.

Storbeck

[Denny Trimble]

Well, all the car mags from the US are $4, and RCE and Racetech are $9 at the newsstand.

[DaveC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> (not saying we are changing anything - we are at the mercy of the exchange rate) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, its almost $1.9 per lb! The Euro is worth more a good bit more than the US$ too. Who's in charge! We lost two huge towers, 4 planes, a major metropolitan center, a budget surplus, almost 2000 US lives overseas AND the value of our $. Hmmm... (Oh, and gas prices have doubled, cant forget that one http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

[RiNaZ]

hey sam,
RE is a great engineering magazine. I was at Barnes & Noble, trying to finish every single page just like any other American FSAE'er.

then i thought, this is a great magz, i wish i could buy a copy and keep it as a reference. As a matter of fact, i read it again and again knowing that some of the article takes a bit of time in understanding and visualizing.

In my opinion, since maybe 1/3 of your reader could be students from FSAE, why not cut the price in half for americans. If you dont make any profit, why dont you charge 4 bucks for online subscription?

9 dollars is a lot for a single magazine. If im not mistaken, the most recent magz that cost more than 4 dollars, is Guitar World, and that's only becoz it has a CD along with it. But everything else that i checked, especially car magazine, cost about 4 dollars here in US.

Any fellow american FSAE here agree with me? Let me know what you guys think.

[kwancho]

RE is a great magazine, but I can't see myself subscribing or buying every issue for $9. But I'll definetly buy the FSAE one!

[Trans Am]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by drivetrainUW-Platt:
The team in the tent with Helsinki had a similar "plunger" tb, how did it work for you, looks heavy! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

WOW!!!! I can hear the high hat symphony. tsss tsss Please stop my ears are starting to hurt!!!!

[ss_collins]

$ to £ if we changed our pricenow what would happen if Tony (Blair not Tobias) made the pound crash, and Georgie boy made the USD sky rocket - we'd be shafted!

The best way to do it is subscribe - it works out at $7.17 an issue, or I think there will be a good US targeted offer at PRI. On that on - talk (as always) to Tony T

[Moke]

RE is a great mag.

We get it on the shelves 3 mth after publication date, and then in about 3 shop in Auckland.

So we just subscribe, so it gets here sooner.

We have car mags for half the price but they are for muppets. RE is for Racecar Engineers.

[Dan G]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Moke:
We have car mags for half the price but they are for muppets. RE is for Racecar Engineers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great quote!

ss_collins - what would be the chances of offering an "FSAE-only" cut-rate online subscription? I imagine it would attract a great deal of poor college-age aspiring racecar-engineer types both in the US and around the world. Your company would take in much more cash from us than you are now, considering many of us are too cheap to buy or subscribe to it and only read it on the newstands, then put it back. Digital subscriptions are not much if any extra expense, since its all digital and its already set up.

Everybody wins, right?

[kwancho]

Great idea, Dan. I'd do it!

[Storbeck]

If we can find somebody to host it I can probably send them just the fsae stuff so everyone can see it without haveing to journey to the local barnes and nobel.

Denny, you usually do this stuff don't you...

[Denny Trimble]

I would never intentionally violate a copyright... http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Besides, I'll graduate eventually, and then I'll have to either pay for webspace, or go without.

[RiNaZ]

I second that Dan!!!

[ss_collins]

We have tried cut rate stuff for the UK uni students and it has shown a few average results but not ground breaking - problem is you lot don't have much wedge (I know I was always broke when I was a student) and can read RE for free in the library/mates flat/workshop/bar.

Perhaps if a group of you from the forum pgot together - say 10 - 15 of you and stumped up I could arrange a cut price subs for members of this forum who can prove they are current students.

I don't really have much to do on the subs side but could probably ask the girl who does it to arrange it. do you think more than ten of you would stump up?

[kwancho]

I'd plunk down the money, and I think Dan G and RiNaZ would. That's 3. Anybody else?

[Ben Beacock]

&^!@#.. i subscribed 2 weeks ago http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Captain Redbeard]

Hell yeah, I'm in. You might consider starting a new thread though, you could probably get more people that way.

-Redbeard

[Draksia]

I would be in.

[CMURacing - Prometheus]

count me in!

[Dan G]

I'd be interested, but I'd have to know how much before I'd commit.

And are we talking printed subcriptions or online? I'd pay double for a printed sub (at a nice healthy discount) than the e-sub.

[RiNaZ]

Oh yeahhh ... im in ... definitely!!!. I already spent my money on RE for the whole 2002 and 2003 (at the full retail price i might add) ... so anything to bring the cost down ... im all for it!!!

[JerryLH3]

I'd be in. I had planned on subscribing, so anything to cut the cost would certainly be beneficial if it can be arranged.

[Birelfanatic]

if it's subscription for the printed copies, count this canuck in too http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[ss_collins]

40% discount arranged - email me at sam_collins@ipcmedia.com for the form.

[kwancho]

Online or paper?

[ss_collins]

paper

[Travis Garrison]

I'm interested (emailed you but got no reply) travisg -at- u.washington.edu

[CMURacing - Prometheus]

in the same boat as travis: msmiles at andrew dot cmu dot edu

[Dave M]

its a crowded boat.
Dlmonette@csupomona.edu

[Captain Redbeard]

real crowded...matthodgson at dartmouth.edu

[kwancho]

lots of crowding: kwancho at stanford dot edu

[ss_collins]

I take two days off and what happens!!!

Sorry chaps was relaxing at home, you shuld all have received an e-mail now!

[Dave M]

Im off the boat, Thanks

Dave M

[kwancho]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alex Kwan:
lots of crowding: kwancho at stanford dot edu </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
still on the boat, thanks!

[Erich Ohlde]

I wanna get on the boat! I emailed just now

[Dan G]

To be honest, I was hoping for a little better of a discount. Its not really 40% off, seeing as we can already get it for $98 (20% off) or $104 (15% off) depending on where you look...
http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/dansmisc/RE2.jpg
http://evilallianceracing.com/ipw-web/gallery/albums/dansmisc/RE1.jpg

Still, its a full 25% cheaper than that $98 rate, so I can't complain.

One question, can we subscribe for 2 or 3 years at this price? Or will you be offering the discount again this time next year when its time to renew?

Again, thank you for offering this discount to us, I know we all appreciate it. You guys put out an outstanding magazine and I will look forward to it coming in the mail.

[ss_collins]

It's 40% off the official price.

I dunno how long this will run for depends on the response really.

It would be good if you could let me know when / if you send off the form.

[EliseS2]

Reading it at Barnes and Noble? Why did I not think of that? I feel like a moron because I have about 4 years of back issues at my home. Then I finally subscribe and two weeks later they offer a discount?

[ss_collins]

That just bad luck!

[EliseS2]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ss_collins:
That just bad luck! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am still going to read it, but I am not going to enjoy it!

[ss_collins]

but I am not going to enjoy it!

LIAR! http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[David Grainger]

I sent in my order today. Thanks for the discount.

David Grainger
Clemson University

[ss_collins]

I hope you enjoy it - if not - let me know!

[Captain Redbeard]

We sent our form out today. Thanks!

[ss_collins]

looks like this offer s to be rolled out world wide and should be on offer at both PRI and the Autosport Show