FSAE Italy 2010

[bob.paasch]

Design, Presentation and Cost results are up.

Anyone have any information on the first day of dynamic events?

[bob.paasch]

Design, Presentation and Cost results are up.

Anyone have any information on the first day of dynamic events?

[Thomas MuWe]

All results unofficial,

ACC: Stuttgart under 3.8 sec, 1/10 behind a few cars including Darmstadt
Skidpad: Darmstadt (4.97) was in the lead, Stuttgart pretty quick, no idea who won
AutoX: GFR fastest, then TU Graz, Turin was also in the front pack, as well as Stuttgart and Darmstadt.

Endu: GFR, Darmstadt, TU Graz finished! Stuttgart - I do not know, their twitter account shows postings from yesterday!

[JasperC]

Stuttgart's twitter does say they finished endurance. It also says the quickest car in endurance was Turin.

Overall might be close but I think GFR might win it.

[DART-CG]

Overall results:

1. GFR
2. Stuttgart
3. Darmstadt
4. Zwickau
5. TU Graz

http://www.ata.it/upload/alleg...0-rev2_1_overall.pdf (http://www.ata.it/upload/allegati_submenu_fata/160/fsaeitalyresultsclass1-2010-rev2_1_overall.pdf)

Anyone knows what happend to the Squadracorse guys from Turino? Winner and by far the fastest in the endo but 346 penalty points! Missed a slalom in the endo or sth like that!?

[Lorenzo Pessa]

results are published here.
http://www.ata.it/it/formulaat...content/116/results/ (http://www.ata.it/it/formulaata/view/12/formula-sae-italy-2010/content/116/results/)

[Antonio Pala]

Hello everybody

I am Antonio, from SquadraCorse of Politecnico di Torino.

We got 346 penality point beacuse in the parc fermè the judges discovered a brake over travel faillure, when trying to swithc off the car pushing the button it did not work.

[DART-CG]

Didn't think that a rule like this is possible. I always thought that a car can do anything it wants when crossing the finish line like explode or burn down or sth like that.
In my opinion, this is quite ridiculous

[blister]

That is also my opinion! We once had a broken A arm after the finish line at FSUK and no one said a word about a possible disqualification.

On the other hand the Brake over travel switch`s only purpose is to shut down the car.

[TMichaels]

I think this is a feasible solution as the brake over travel switch would have stopped the car from finishing endurance, if it would have worked as the rules define it. Therefore it is a possible solution to subtract the endurance score, if this is discovered in the parc ferme.

Regards,

Tobias

[MH]

Agreed that it sounds a bit strict...

However, I know that there were/are teams out there that disable their brake over-travel switch because they're worried that their brake system will allow more brake pedal travel when it heats up...
If such a safety system fails during enduro it's bad design and really dangerous. If it's disabled on purpose...


regards,
Miki Hegedus
Delft University of Technology 2001-2008

[blister]

If that is the case, than the team is really stupid:

1. They can`t design a brake systeme
2. They don`t know anything about it before the endurance
3. Maybe they crash
4. Maybe a driver or marshall gets injured

However, there is a small possibility that it can brake in the parc ferme or the Scrutineering was not carried out carefully...

[TMichaels]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by blister:
If that is the case, than the team is really stupid:

1. They can`t design a brake systeme
2. They don`t know anything about it before the endurance </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know you are provoking, but a BOTS may also be actuated, if you have air or a leak in the system. Both is likely for example if you had to work on your brake system close to the event or on the event.

Breaking the BOTS in the parc ferme is next to impossible, I think.
Passing scrutineering does not necessarily mean that the car is rules compliant (It should be the case, but there is no guarantee). It is a pity if that happens because the scrutineer had a bad day, but in general the team is responsible for the rules compliance of the car.

Regards,

Tobias

[JasperC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TMichaels:
I think this is a feasible solution as the brake over travel switch would have stopped the car from finishing endurance, if it would have worked as the rules define it. Therefore it is a possible solution to subtract the endurance score, if this is discovered in the parc ferme.

Regards,

Tobias </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Correction: it MIGHT have stopped the car during endurance.

In my opinion you should get a penalty if something like this pops up during parc fermé, but to lose all your endurance AND fuel points does seem a bit harsh...

By the way, massive scoring for GFR - 956.7 points. Congratulations again for that!

Cheers,
Jasper

[TMichaels]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">In my opinion you should get a penalty if something like this pops up during parc fermé, but to lose all your endurance AND fuel points does seem a bit harsh... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree, but according to the post above it was actuated which means that it would definitely have hindered the car from finishing endurance.

It is a hard decision, but I do not know the background of this decision, therefore I will not try to guess why the responsibles in Italy chose this way.

Regards,

Tobias

[JasperC]

The way I read Antonio's post, the scrutineers specifically checked the switch after endurance and found out it didn't work ("when trying to switch off the car pushing the button it did not work").

But you are right, there are probably a lot of things we don't know so it's no use speculating about things.

[TMichaels]

Maybe Antonio can clear things up?

Regards,

Tobias

[Antonio Pala]

Hi guys.

First of all I want to post the ATA's official notice (http://www.ata.it/upload/allegati_submenu_fata/162/notice.pdf) published on FSAE Italy's website where they explain the reason of our penality.

What I can say is that in the event handbook was specified that at the end of the endurance the best 4-5 cars would have been scrutineered again.

So after the endurance all the cars were in the parc fermè, and when the judges had the results of the endurance, started the scrutineering of the best 4 cars, included ours.

They checked all the features like in a pre-event scrutineering, and of course the bots.

We never had problems with that system (we had about 500 kms of testing), and it is really sad what happened.

Maybe a shortcircuit.

BTW I know that the judges phoned to USA and submitted the matter to the SAE's judge that drafted the FSAE's rules. He told them that the right way was to give us a penality with the same points we got in the endurance

[L B0MB]

956 for GFR... That must have been one hell of an effort! Nice work!

[Hub]

Not a lot of time to take pictures this year, but below a few from the end of endurance.

I'll post later inboard video from autocross and endurance.

http://h.ds.free.fr/gallery/galleries/Motors_cars/2010/FS_Italy/Various/IMG_9414.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/gallery/galleries/Motors_cars/2010/FS_Italy/Uni_Stuttgart/IMG_9418.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/gallery/galleries/Motors_cars/2010/FS_Italy/Uni_Stuttgart/IMG_9420.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/gallery/galleries/Motors_cars/2010/FS_Italy/Torino/IMG_9464.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/gallery/galleries/Motors_cars/2010/FS_Italy/Torino/IMG_9485.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/gallery/galleries/Motors_cars/2010/FS_Italy/Torino/IMG_9504.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/gallery/galleries/Motors_cars/2010/FS_Italy/GFR/IMG_9470.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/gallery/galleries/Motors_cars/2010/FS_Italy/GFR/IMG_9480.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/gallery/galleries/Motors_cars/2010/FS_Italy/GFR/IMG_9527.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/gallery/galleries/Motors_cars/2010/FS_Italy/GFR/IMG_9493.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/gallery/galleries/Motors_cars/2010/FS_Italy/GFR/IMG_9531.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/gallery/galleries/Motors_cars/2010/FS_Italy/GFR/IMG_9520.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/gallery/galleries/Motors_cars/2010/FS_Italy/GFR/IMG_9537.jpg

[Lorenzo Pessa]

w w w.youtube.com/watch?v=qVs_0sazNZM

Onboard camera: ET3 endurance overtakes.

[Tom W]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by L B0MB:
956 for GFR... That must have been one hell of an effort! Nice work! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

From the pictures it looks like its positive camber FTW. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[JasperC]

I think it just looks like that because the sidewalls of the tyres are massively flexing. http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Hub]

Autocross lap:
w w w.youtube.com/watch?v=L0NYK6FSjWU

"Complete" endurance http://fsae.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
w w w.youtube.com/watch?v=uqJPgSLnNd8

A compilation with photos and videos from testing and competitions.
w w w.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=450975875101