I built this thing in the early 80's. I wonder have any of you seen it in the basement etc? Or was it tossed?





I'm an old timer from back then. I had the nick-name Three-Wheel-Mark ;-)

Remove this post please. IT's obviously in the wrong place. Sorry about that!

I can move it for you ... but where do you want me to move it to? This seems to be at the right spot, i think.

I saw this and thought - 'That sure looks like a WWU kind of project'.

Then I was pretty sure I knew that building. That's the Enviro Sci building in the background. There's a new building now where your trike was sitting.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure I remember that thing sitting under the canopy behind the shop when I was there. It's been a couple of years now since I was there and I know they're on a big clean-up push right now.
I'll see if I can get one of the current students to update.

(This thread is a little off topic but I don't see a reason to move it.)

What a beast!
UWW's first attemt at an "out of the box" fsae car?

Hey it is in the back lot right now on the chopping block for being tossed give the VRI a call and ask to speak with me if you are interested in saving/reclaiming it. 360-378-3045 or call me directly on my cell 360-378-7542

Ouch, yes I'ld like to find a way to get it. I'm wondering what parts are still left. The AAarms are particularly hard to replace. The front hubs were special,and... well most of it was special in my view duh!

One thing I can promise is to use it to promote the Detalidon Project (www.Detalidon.com) which may acquire a cash flow in the near future. Which I can in-turn pledge some to back to support FSAE/WWU.

I will try to call..I'm at
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out-of-the-box fsae car

In about 1980, one of the students built a little 4 wheel vehicle called affectionately "The Monster". It was a rear drive, straight axle, aluminum bath-tub with a Honda 750 4stroke in back. Single driver, very nearly like an over sized go cart. The engine weighed as much as the cart.

Dr Seal should remember that one. The builder also made a People-Eater. A bicycle turned upside down, so the seat was 3ft up higher, with a huge jaw in front, attached to an offset lobe on the front wheel. It would appear to try and eat people when ridden in Red Square, Looked real sweet when you also sported a pink mohawk! yea, THAT guy!

Well good news for everyone who likes this kind of thing. My brother will be aquiring 'Taddy' for us on monday. We plan to restore it and will use it for promotion of a newer version. We may also complete this one for the street.

I have learned a lot over time about this class of vehicle, and it will be improved. FYI don't go rear wheel drive and don't use such a tall top wing if you plan on a 'treetop headlight'. Also don't use a long tail, even if it makes areodynamic sense. A few points off the gas meter ain't worth your life!

The wing will be cut lower with LED lamps, and two 3kw motors will drive the front. These may become scooter hub motors. A rear motor could be added if needed. (Yes, unsprung weight WILL be a problem if I use hubs.)

A genset in the back will make it a defacto hybrid. A few batteries and controllers and we'r good to go!

The genset could be of a rotary type when available in two years. (found as one of the Xprize contestants, these are used on that VTOL air-car you've heard about)

Oh yes, lest I forget, it will get a body or at least a windshield and nose fairing.

Here is a possible temporary look for it, just to get it on the street asap. How 'bout it? Want to race one of these? It would be a very 'techical' race for sure.

OK, not exactly art. But it will pass inspection (I hope).



Here is the original design. (wind tunnel model, .20CD)

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Is this thing battery powered, sounds like a hoped up golf kart with one hell of a body kit!

Yes very perceptive of you. I think in the past you could catogorize smaller street-able vehicles as:

Covered GoCart
Cabin Scooter
Golf Cart (urban tranport)
Commuter Class
Sub-Compact

This one cuts accross those concepts by making a "Commuter Class/Cabin scooter" which is Freeway Ready. Although 15+HP require in most states is a little more than it actually needs.

OK, this is the vehicle after 25 years of storage and experiments.

Not too bad considering everything.



Here is it's most likely destination as a Mock-up or demo for presentations uses.
Later it will be restored to gleaming road worthiness.



The eventual plan calls for two front 3kw scooter hub motors, and a light weight, 5-10kw, high efficency, GenSet (motor genrator) based on a compound rotary engine.

The hub motors will be a little heavy on the unsprung weight, but HEY this is science (or Fun?) Anyone want to start a new class of racing?

Ever tried a sketchup.google.com ? It's a 3D program that's free for everybody to use. Not too hard to figure out compare to most engineering CAD program.

Just thought i'd introduce you to something other than pen and paper (not that it's a lesser tools).

I have Soldiworks on the way. It's just that I have only paper and pen or pencil with me sometimes, and I can experiment with those suddle curves. If I do that, I photo it into digital then ouch it up in paintbrush, like the one above.

It only takes me a few minutes to paper one into existance. If I like it, it becomes worthy of deeper work.

DID I ever say I was a CAD/CAM analyst at Boeing for 6 years? OK I didn't draft, I consulted to those who did.

Still, free is free, so I downloaded it. Thanks I'll try it.

As suggested above, I've been working with 3d graphics (Sketchup6) to confirm some of my styling issues. Here's a sample;

Definately thinking of marketing this as a motorcycle. But I can go one better than motorcycle. I would also intend for it to be a kit-car.

I met up with a kit-car manufacturor (Veepster) and added much to my knowledge in that area.

I have a lot of options for my first body. I may make tooling for it and hand-lay up fiberglass.

I could use the RQRiley method and sand-down on urathane then glass it. But I have a new method possible.

I could try a paper mashe on wire frame then composit it up with styrofoam and non-toxic glues. Then it is finshed with epoxy and glass cloth.

One of those maybe.

Interior


Back view


front view

Nice design, that looks like fun to drive.

If you want to make this a road legal version though, you'll have to move the lights. The rules differ for various parts of the world, but in general most lights can not be farther than 400mm of the widest part of your vehicle when viewed from the front or back.
I don't know what you get away with in the US though on a kit car.

Igor

In the us the center of the light must be 24in (61cm) to 64in (152cm) from the ground and clearly visible to the front. On my vehicle this lower limit would have placed it in the drivers face. So I went to the high side.

If I could go 18"~20" then I can have the lamp in a recess at the top of the nose next to the windshield. But that would crimp the drivers access to the foot controls.

There is of course the possiblity of putting one headlight on each side of the front on thier own little wisker-pole winlets. (as you can see above it was done once before.)

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I'm adding this sketch as a starting point for those interested in the Taddy design.

This image is slightly improved for rear visiblity and longer wheel base. I'll be doing some more work on the design.

I'll let everyone know where they are posted when completed, sometime this year. (couple of months.)


Part of what you see here should be removeable behind the headrest, so you can access the genset etc.

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I wanted to study styling as it applies to race vehicles. I thought this toy looked similar to a hypathetical SAE 3 wheeler, if such a thing could ever exist. Hey! I like Sci-Fi thinking!