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"That german car that Mexellent is refering to was reported with pictures provided. However nothing was done within the officals." It isn't a big deal. The transponder is only used for endurance. In the worst case scenario having the transponder on the rear will only gain you 0.3s. So they would have gained 0.6s for the whole endurance. You can work out how many points that is, but I'm guessing it's less than 0.1. But then again rules are rules. Cheers, Vince Libertucci U of T Racing Alumn 2004 - 2008 |
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...and UTA's wing hanging over their rear tire by what appears to be no more than 1" won't give them any advantage...yet, they were DQ'ed. |
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Hey Guys,
About the holiday in New York, we (three from Delft) are now in the central park hostel in NY, be here till tuesday. We allready met the Munchen guys in battery park (south manhattan). If anybody still wants to meat up (as in steak or beer) somewehere give us a hint. samo.sim@gmail.com or 0031612556991. Cheers, have a good one, Samo, Thijs, Sebastiaan |
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to clear off the discussion about the rear mounted transponder i have to say that it was aprooved by tech in first place so the officials new about it.
about NEW YORK: we are here at about 3pm and want to do a tour through the park afterwards. see you |
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"I'd love to see a thread here talking about reliability development."
Last year we found all of our gremlins by driving the car from 7-midday everyday, followed by checks and assessments in the afternoon, followed usually by remanufacture in the evening! I think we had completed 400km of testing before the car even turned a wheel at the event. Unfortunately a cooling problem bit us at the event and we finished 12th overall, but there were a lot of lessons learned during testing and the result of it was that everything went wrong then, rather than at the event. Everthing you want is just outside your comfort zone! |
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Ha... Didn´t get up from bed until 4pm... Team Helsinki usually hangs around Central Park at Sheep Meadow or The Great Lawn. This is usually around 3-7pm. Then by night at 79-81th Street and Amsterdam. There are lots of nice little bars. Just look for a group of drunken monkeys. Thats us! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Engine Manager Helsinki Polytechnic Formula Engineering Team "The Worst Team In Finland" http://www.formula.stadia.fi/ |
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A few UWA guys are currently in a hostel called Jazz in the city on W 95th Street.
Dunno where we will be hanging out tonight...but will definitely try and catch up with you guys sometime. Project Manager 2007 UWA Motorsport |
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Our car was teched with the endplates hanging past the rear wheel. We argued that when they told us we we're DQ'ed. In the defense of the officials, the rule book is quite big and its impossible to make sure that all the cars meet all the rules. However, it doesnt matter if it gives them any advantage or not. Its against the rules. We broke the rules and we got punished for it. And that is ok. But whats not OK is that other people got away with breaking the rules and still get points for endurance. Its even worse if the officials ACTUALLY saw photos of a car breaking the rules and did nothing about it. Ask Helsinki how they feel about it. UTA Racing '05,'06,'07,'08...................................... |
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Totally agree |
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to all the teams from abroad who are visiting New York,
hope you are enjoying your stay, are any of you still around? Maybe we can meet up downtown in the village area for some drinks, let me know consig@cooper.edu 9148415650 The Cooper Union FSAE Team The Cooper Union |
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Lovely, we get 41st place in endurace out of 120 teams and get 0 points in it and fuel economy, darn.
Well, I'm an alumni now so...better luck next year for the team I guess. Mike Duwe UWP Alumni Former Drivetrain Leader and Team Captain |
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If I understand rule 5.7.17 Endurance Scoring Formula right, then every team finishing the endurance must at least get 50 points. Why were they not awarded to the teams finishing endurance at michigan?
Regards, Tobi Head of Electronics '06 '07 '08 Lions Racing Team Braunschweig - Three nations have not officially adopted the International Metric System of Units as their primary or sole system of measurement: Liberia, Myanmar and the United States. - 1 Inch was defined to be the thumb width of Heinrich, I., King of England. - Later 1 Inch was redefined to be the length of 3 barleycorns by Eduard, II., King of England. - 0°F were defined by Fahrenheit in the harsh winter of 1708/1709 as he thought that it is impossible to become colder than this - 100°F were defined by Fahrenheit to be the normal temperature of the human body. Obviously he had fever, when measuring his own body temperature to define his scale. |
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Tobi,
take a look at rule "5.7.16 Endurance Scoring" it states "A car will also receive an Endurance Finish Score of fifty (50) points if the team's time for the event, including penalties, is less than or equal to the maximum allotted time." and the maximum altotted time is Tmax=1.333*Tmin. So basically if you are 1.333 times slower than the fastest car you will not receive points for the event at all. Daniel Deussen www.weber-motor.de Saginaw Valley State University Alum Cardinal Formula Racing '99 - '05 FSAE: 6th in '02 and 8th in '05 FSG: Scrutineer, Design Judge and Race Coordinator in '06, '07 and '08 |
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That's what screwed us this year. This was our first year back at competition with a running car since any of us can remember. Probably '03. We finished all the events, expecting to get a certificate of completion. To our dismay, we found that after the fuel economy penalty (still trying to figure how we used 1.7 gallons) and off-track penalties, we didn't score a single point in the endurance. This was quite disheartening considering we were one of what...40 teams...that finished the endurance?
Shaun Kapples FSAE at UCF Head of Cooling and Braking Systems Developement |
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i remember you guys were at michigan in 05. Didnt know if you guys got your car running or not ... but you guys spared us some brake fluids. Thanks again for that.
RiNaZ |
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kapps...we were in the same boat. This is the first time we have had a car compete in, and finish all the dynamic events but we did not get any points due to time penalties and the fuel consumption. I think that they shoulkd modify the scoring scale so if you finish you at least get some points.
2008-2009 Chief Engineer Columbia University FSAE " Auto racing, bull fighting, and mountain climbing are the only real sports ... all others are games." - Earnest Hemingway |
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Yeah, I think we made it to competition in '05 but I don't think we got it running. From what I've heard, we went without a tune on the engine and never got it together. What really disappoints me is that we scored higher last year (without even coming to the competition with a car) than what we did this year with a car that made it through everything. Shaun Kapples FSAE at UCF Head of Cooling and Braking Systems Developement |
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How did that happen? |
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We had a bunch of team members taking pics and they finally all got posted to flickr. You can find them here: UC pics
University of Cincinnati '08 Team Leader -2003-2008 |
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A couple things. First, low scores in cost, design, etc. Last year, our team leader kept up with the paperwork. This year, he was busy building the car. Second, we had a wiring issue that manifested itself during the skidpad and auto-x. Our ecu would cut out (causing a very loud bang when it turned back on). It sounded like a lean spot in the tune so we were chasing it around until we finally found the loose wires. Luckily, we finally got it sorted for the endurance. Unfortunately, our dedicated member base is pretty small and sacrifices had to be made this year. At least we know what we have to do for next year. Shaun Kapples FSAE at UCF Head of Cooling and Braking Systems Developement |
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