The 1st session of Formula SAE-China will be held in Shanghai next year.
Welcome!
visit the website
http://www.chinafsae.org/
the english version is not available,it will be ok soon.

Welcome all of you will compete in shanghai oneday,though the fist year is not available.

Hi,
am I right that the teams will compete with a standard engine?

Regards,

Tobias

Hmmm, don't want to sound insulting, but this engine looks like an auxiliary blower motor with an estimated 10kW.
Can't find anything about this one in Google. And my chinese is too bad though

sourcing 'large' displacement engines in china is almost imposssible to do...legally at least

also having a standard engine cuts down costs and allows more teams to participate

Are you kidding me?? Common, it's 600cc! Chinese road cars use a quite larger displacement for sure!

In those times I don't think it is meant to be fruitful to use a standard engine for every team. OK, it cuts down cost but also the engineers creativity to put out a genious engine concept with very little consumption while maintaining a good power output and driveability.
The ongoing engineers have the future task to enhance the otto and diesel engine for a greener economy. Is there really the necessity to cut this creativity down?
This is something I also can't understand in F1, THE technology test bed at it's best which now restricts engine development for years.

sorry what i meant was bike engines

the cars are larger than 600cc

you would hope


while i agree with you that teams should develop their own choice of engines...remember that this is china

1st year there'll be 90% crap teams
3rd year that'll go down to 75
5th year more than half will be at a level on par with the other formula event

figures of course are optimistic *maybe* but you get the idea

There are still tons of scope for development outside of the engine....Might be less of a curve to climb without having to devote too much resources to one area of the car and makes a more solid effort on the rest...

Not to say being limited to one kind of engine makes it easier though....I'd imagine they still have to work out the packaging and they can still do some development in intake and exhaust design.....

FYI according to the site this is the spec of the motor:

Model: CF188(500 cc)
Type: Single cylinder, water-cooled, 4 stroke, overhead cam engine.
Bore and Stroke(mm): 87.5 x 82
Compression Ratio: 10.2:1
Max Power: 24kW @ 6500rpm
Min Fuel Consumption: 340g/kW.H

Guys, dont forget that RMIT won FSUK in 2004 with a spaceframe car and about that amount of kilowatts from a Yamaha 450 single on a carb.
So, yes, there is lots of speed to be gained outside the engine!
Pat

quote:

Originally posted by PatClarke:
Guys, dont forget that RMIT won FSUK in 2004 with a spaceframe car and about that amount of kilowatts from a Yamaha 450 single on a carb.
So, yes, there is lots of speed to be gained outside the engine!
Pat

At our expense...heh...

-Member of the "first team got beaten by a single" UofToronto Racing....

There is nothing wrong with standardized engine. Looking at any other formula event, if you take out only the teams that run with the Honda f4i (one of the more popular ones I believe) there is still quite a bit of difference in rankings.

Engine is only one very small component of the car, 99.9999% of the engine design work is already done for you. In my point of view, components like chassis, suspension, upright, hubs, pedals etc. is much more exciting and require much much more creativity and engineering analysis.

AA