I figured that I could start a new thread for all things Formula Student 2005. The one I started for FSAE 2005 worked well. Sorry if you were already trying to start this Marko. I can help host pictures if anyone needs it.

So, please share if you have any information.

Good luck to everyone.

The Delft team will try to keep an update on their site at http://www.dutracing.nl

Well, I'm off to the UK to watch the competition.

Igor

anything new from Formula Student?
Who did win cost, presentation,...?

Igor,
I can't figure out what these lexan guards over the shocks are for:


Can you enlighten me? Also, how do you like the Fox propedal shocks? Seems like they do all sorts of fancy things that aren't so good for racecars...

all the propedal (and similar shocks from marzocchi, manitou, rock shox) do is add low-speed damping adjustment as a means of elminating "pedal bob" (up and down movement due to the weight transfer associated with pedaling). at least, this is my understanding, but i know this from the bike part of it.

An answer to Denny's question from the Delft newsletter:
The gaurds were an addition after trying to get through tech inspection.
"The judges were afraid the dampers might hit the driver if they were overheated."

From the Braunschweig website
https://www.lionsracing.de/www/media/skidpad_2005.pdf
https://www.lionsracing.de/www/media/acceleration_2005.pdf

From the Delft Website:
Teams in the Design Finals
Toronto
Oxford Brookes
Delft
Hertfordshire
Lulea
Waterloo
Graz
Helsinki
ETS

Any other news?.... Anyone?

http://www.imeche.org.uk/formulastudent/news.asp

Latest result

ETS won design

Delft and Munich (Munchen) didn't finished the endurance.

TU Graz is on the best way to win the formula student on their second attempt! Go Graz Go!!

Toronto win overall with the other Canadians and Oxford Brookes (the only other real contenders towards the end) dropping out of the endurance - a well deserved win!

At one point it looked like Brookes were going to take the title with being a full 26 seconds (I'm told) ahead of Toronto on the endurance just before driver change. The two cars were probably very evenly matched, but Brookes were out later on (when the track was hotter/covered in a lot more rubber).

<Comments on Brookes removed having spoken to Craig directly - he assures me that they were only meant in jest>

QUB and Waterloo were the quickest teams around the endurance track, posting 50.something times and having VERY neat laps. Unfortunately the Irish had a firewall short out on their battery isolator switch and Waterloo had a failure to restart when hot.

Brookes were on 52.somethings

Toronto, Helsinki, Hertfordshire etc were in the 53/54s. Looked like they were having fun (helsinki's 2nd driver especially!) with the tail out all over the shop but it wasn't as quick as others.

The enduro was TIGHT, but grip levels appeared high towards the end of the day with 27C ambient air temps and masses of rubber being laid down on the track - TUFast reported record lateral G readings.

For what its worth - lots of acceleration runs under 4.25 seconds, several under 4.1 seconds and a stonking *3.97* second run by Bath won them the event. (supercharged 600)

Car 31 - TUFast (which did well on skidpad) was going very nicely on the enduro track until it lost a wheel/unglued a bonded wishbone. Lots of overheated cars on the endurance. Lots of electrical problems.

No singles appeared competitive in ANY of the dynamic events - not way off the pace, but not enough to be top 5 it seems. To a newibe the courses looked so tight that steady-state didn't really exist - more blats between hairpins.

Marshals were out all day and must have been dropping towards the end - but still no excuse for missing lots of what should have been blue-flags and in some instances stepping out in front of cars/forcing them into spins trying to avoid them. (the guy on the entry to the pit area was especially guilty of this and owes his ankles to Dartmouth's driver)

Update:

Photos, Sounds, Videos from the event:
http://web.mit.edu/cosic/www/FSAE-UK-2005/

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http://people.pwf.cam.ac.uk/mac65/misc/formula%20student/

Update: I've posted the whole set at the link in the post above above now, so will be removing the photos on the link above in a few months.

As I was leaving it appeared some teams were being allowed a RE-RUN in endurance. There were an awful lot of UK teams in there and I hope its not just an effort to get more UK teams in the 'finished endurance' category. Certainly didn't seem right.

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Loughborough appeared to stop, wait, then drive a fully functioning car back into the pits and demand a restart after the Germans lots a wheel in front of them. They did stop and they did drive a fully functioning car back into the pits/appeal to the judges but its an unrelated event that happened to co-incide as Deano describes later.
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A lot of drivers completely ignored the driver's briefing (sprint event was a "rolling-start" this year, AKA a standing start but from the pitlane) and so a couple of perfectly good cars were way down the field when the driver waltzed out the pitlane and in some cases STOPPED on the startline before taking the hint from the marshal that the timing had already started/it was a rolling start. All the Canadians got the idea and came tanking down the pitlane, flicked it round the hairpin at the end and were already doing 40mph over the starline where others were doing 5... "Sneaky" on the part of the organisers or a very effective way of making sure people pay more attention in driver briefing...?

Lots of teams didn't get into the sprint event on time and som were awarded DNFs. This appeared to work nicely, as all the ropey cars out there that would otherwise be holding up the proceedings/spewing fluids and parts all over the circuit did not get to compete/hold up everybody else. A lesson learned the hard way though!

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Wow this is awesome news....maybe I should just give up going to England for FS if we were to go back.....I went last year and we came home 2nd, while 03 and 05 both were winning years....

The reason brookes failed the enduro was a failure in the rear blead nipple. I wasn't the only problem for us on the weekend, having had a circlip failure on a drive shaft which allowed it to fall out of the tripode during the skid pan.
As for thew barrier tape, several teams seemed that they couldn't be bothered to open the back of they're own pit and would use ours as a short cut out. This became very annoying when trying to work on the car, had you wanted to look at the car you only had to ask, as many teams did.
Also, did anyone manage to 'aquire' an imeche blimp?

Congrats to my ex team!!!!!!!!

I must admit, I thought Waterloo would take it after finishing 4th at FSAE....but my ex-team mate and enduro partner in crime Jerry Z. showed FSAE-dom that he is the quickest guy in a 20mm restricted student built car!!!

Way to keep Toronto's record in the UK at alternating 1st and 2nd places every year since 2002!!!

MOre photos please anybody else?

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Originally posted by vinHonda:
...my ex-team mate and enduro partner in crime Jerry Z. showed FSAE-dom that he is the quickest guy in a 20mm restricted student built car!!!

Congrats to U of T on another win in England. But, I have to ask, where was this Jerry Z in Detroit?

he ran a 57s lap in autocross but nudged 2 cones.....

I must say our setup in Detoit was not perfect, too loose in autocross and too tight in Enduro(compensating for autocross and the track went slower)....

OH LORDY LORDY isn't that U of T car somethin special!! My congratulations to all my former team mates - sucks replying as the tech director that didn't bring home the gold (wedged betweeen two golds) last year but I can say (from my first hand spectatorship) that this win was no fluke! They have been testing this car everyday for months now - and from what I hear '06 is in design. Y'all got a crazy strong Toronto team coming up underneath the graduating members of the current one so don't expect a break. i.e. get started the second you get home. Get those cars finishing endurance dammit - forget the glitter - build a car that works first.

Congratulations to the whole team, their sponsors and faculty support - sooooo very proud.

JerK.

Ok, just got back from the UK. The competition was excellent, the number of quality cars has definitely increased over the previous years. I especially enjoyed watching the Waterloo car fly over the circuit, but there were plenty of other good drivers there.

The Delft car didn't perform as expected in my opinion due to a lack of testing time and the wrong tire compound. Apparently LeCont stopped producing their softest compound which is critical if you have such a light car. Now the car was sliding and wheelspinning all over the place.

Denny: The lexan plates had to be mounted because the scrutineers feared the shocks would explode I can't imagine that has ever happened to an FSAE car.
It is getting ridiculous, I bet next year they'll have them mount fenders as tires can also explode.......
As I'm not part of the team and not too knowledgeable about suspension I can't comment on the performance of the shocks.

Well, back to playing with bigger cars again,
Igor

Four comps as a student, first comp as a design judge.

Great weather, better track surface and lots of interesting cars. I'll restrict my comments to design event related matters.

1. 3Hz ride frequencies and standard mountain bike damers is not a good way to 'increase transient response'. Sensible roll stiffness and good low speed damping would be better
2. If asked the value of a vehicle parameter in a design event "didn't you read our spec sheet?" is the wrong answer. I hope further elaboration isn't required as to why.
3. The word optimise implies you have used an objective metric and have the numbers. If you don't, don't use the word. We read lots of design reports, I was keeping a tally, one UK team won by a long way...
4.ETS were awesome and did well in design because they did exactly what they had been asked to do by the judges last year.
5. Would Delft be better off adding a few Kgs and actually finishing? Flame away on that one.

Ben

Well said Kenny! As a team leader, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all the boys on behalf of me and Jon for such an excellent job for Oxford Brookes University, something to be proud of. This is the best team that we've both worked with and the best that Brookes has had and its been an extremely emotional year and weekend. The car only had bodywork on it 2 weeks ago so if that's all you can do in terms of results i.e. the 2 British teams that were in the top 10 well you've got a lot to answer for. We finished 15th without finishing the enduro with a failure that was not down to any designed parts of our own and that says something.

As for not doing any favours for ourselves in terms of closing our pit area, Brookes has been helping teams all weekend for example Delhi and lent tools all the time. Sounds like whoever you are from Cambridge - Mark, your a bit jealous!

The OBU team for 2005, thank you please

Students

Jon Nicholls
Owain Davies
Matt Beasley
Joe Hartog
Max Lotto
Ian Cooke
Fran Wilson
Richard Messenger
Luke Thompson
Sanje Valvill
Craig Dawson
Kiran Devlukia
Nathan Skinner
James Jiggy Gornall
Luke Green
Tony Upright

Lecturers

Howard Ash
James Balkwill
Nick Bowler
Geoff Goddard


The reason brookes failed the enduro was a failure in the rear blead nipple. I wasn't the only problem for us on the weekend, having had a circlip failure on a drive shaft which allowed it to fall out of the tripode during the skid pan.
As for thew barrier tape, several teams seemed that they couldn't be bothered to open the back of they're own pit and would use ours as a short cut out. This became very annoying when trying to work on the car, had you wanted to look at the car you only had to ask, as many teams did.
Also, did anyone manage to 'aquire' an imeche blimp?[/QUOTE]

Stralsund was driven 52,5s with a broken rear anti roll bar after 4 laps and drove nearly only on 3 tires th whole endurence. TU Graz had problems with tires. Brunswick cv joint fail, but either the wasn´t as fast as last year. Luleas engine blow up after turbo failed. Fastest cars was waterloo.

Leeds car lost fuel in acceleration and behind leeds the track was burning, but nothing happends to the drivers.

Track marshalls wasn´t good. I saw nearly 5 crahses because the missed showing yellow flags.

on of the best enginered cars for me was Munich. 197 KG, 4 Cylinder engine, own made diff, 86 HP and great sound and they drove under 5 sec in all skid pad runs. never seen such a fast skid pad driving.