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Congratulations UWA!
This team just keeps getting better. IMO, the current car is quite simply the best FSAE car ever. Excellent drivers to boot. A well-deserved win for all concerned. Can't wait to see what you guys bring out next year. Regards, Cherian Thomas Edit: Apparently the "very preliminary" results weren't right. Congratulations to UW Madison! This message has been edited. Last edited by: Cherian Thomas, |
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Congratulations to Wisconsin. A consistently good effort all round.
Well done to all the other teams as well, from here in Australia it was awesome to hear of your cars and the level of competition this year. To our team up in Detroit...well done, you boys are champs, great effort. Project Manager 2007 UWA Motorsport |
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Congratulations to Wisconsin.
Just out of curiosity, were any of the teams in the top ten using a single cyl? If I remember correctly, all of those teams were running a 4 cyl right? Anyone have the weights of the vehicles? |
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any details on the endurance event and design finals?
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Endurance w/ Fuel Economy:
1) University of Western Australia 2) University of Wisconsin-Madison 3) University of Toronto 4) Univeristy of Cincinnati 5) Rochester Institute of Technology Design Finals: 1) University of Wisconsin-Madison 2) Graz Univeristy of Technology (TU Graz) 3) University of Michigan-Ann Arbor 4) Kansas University 5) Penn State University B.J. Stoney Bearcat Motorsports Alumni '02-'07 University of Cincinnati benjamin.stoney@gmail.com |
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can anyone share some insight into why UWA did not make design finals? It seems quite strange that they didnt make the cut.
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It does seem alittle strange, but maybe they were beaten? ETS normally make design finals and they didnt make it, and then again... Going from the disaster that was the WEST comp design evaluation last year some teams that made design finals didnt really deserve to be there... why? because it was the best 1 or 2 teams from EACH GROUP that went through, meaning if there were 5 good teams in one group only 1 or two could proceed, while say another group, one or two teams may proceed even though one of the ones who missed out should have been in their place... Anyone got anymore pictures of the event? How about Cornell's car, i havent been able to find any of them. Andrew |
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I weeded through 800 shots to remove the bad ones, there's nearly 700 left that aren't completely crap.
http://www.evilengineering.com/gallery/v/SAE/FSAE/EAST07/ Here's one of Cornell's car, I only got them the second day (start on page 8)...  They had a cool intake design...  I also posted three videos on Gootube. First two from endurance... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3717873072314953226 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8471781841907151396 And the last from an unsanctioned nosecone race in the paddocks...  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1802723023134629431 My best shots were from endurance, I was messing around with panning/motion blur. Some came out great, others were just blurred. I left some of the fully blurred ones in there, as its hard to tell when there's "too much". Those sweet blur shots start on page 9... http://www.evilengineering.com/gallery/v/SAE/FSAE/EAST07/?g2_page=9    Again, the full gallery URL is here... http://www.evilengineering.com/gallery/v/SAE/FSAE/EAST07/ Feel free to hotlink, copy, repost, whatever with these pictures. There's 1024x versions uploaded for each one (click the link at the top left of the individual image page) and I also have 2592x1944 res versions of each that I can upload upon request. Great job everyone. Can't wait to see some of you again at the west event next month. __________________________________________________ Honeywell Turbo Technologies - FSAE Sponsorship Guy UMich-Dearborn '04-'06 Carnegie Mellon '99-'03 eVil eNgineering.com | '95 M3 | '93 325i | '87 944 | '86 951 |
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Being on a team that made design finals (and probably surprised everybody in doing so, including ourselves and the judges), I asked a number of judges why western australia didn't make it to semis. The majority of them said that the car was too similar to previous ones, and that the team members in Detroit could not justify all of their design decisions. It's a shame, but after speaking with a number of guys on the UWA team, I'm sure they'll regroup and come back with a car that's even faster. "Gute Fahrer haben die Fliegenreste auf den Seitenscheiben." --Walter Röhrl |
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Smoking hot picutres Dan
 Glad you cought some pictures of Lawrence Tech's measly 3 laps of endourance. The car was styling at least! Thanks again for some good work/fun |
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Not too many Cornell pics from endurance. We probably had the quickest DNF in history - loose battery cable disconnected on the first turn. Packaging one's battery in the driver bay's good for weight distribution, but can cause the driver to dislodge it on entry, I guess. Oops.
Cornell's not making secondary was largely due to our chassis leader not making it in time for a 8:30am slot. Competition week is also exam week, and some people have to stick behind until Wednesday or later. A few wrong turns in Canada, and you have a weak presentation in the running. Oops. Cornell's DQ in accel was due to a last minute panicked attempt to get a run in - the car was having starting issues in the dynamic area, and was worked on until the last moment. It worked, but we forgot to put on of the sidepods on. The course workers didn't notice (and neither did the team until they went back to run skidpad, and realized the problem) but it was caught on protest. A technicality, yes, but of course still valid reason for DQ. Oops again. Too bad, since the car was certainly fast when it was running (our auto-x driver would've had the third best time on the course, and the enduro course was probably much better suited to our car... the winged UTA and Oklahoma were awesome on the more open auto-x track to be sure.) Alas, the devil is in the details, and we proved that pretty well this year. Congrats to Wisconsin - nice to see a team with a lot of second-place finishes (at least two I can remember, and a lot of top-ten in there as well) finally pull it off. I can't recall anyone winning based on final design before - hell of a way to do it. That must have been a stressful morning. --- Michael Jones Cornell Racing 2001-2005 |
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Congratulations to UW-Madison on their victory. They've been a consistently strong team over many years, so I'd say this win was a long time coming.
Personally, I was pleasantly surprised by the number of smaller teams that seemed to perform very well. Particularly, I there seemed to be a great number of fast autocross times. The aggregate quality of the cars seems to improve every year. Chris Davin Cornell Racing Engine Team '02 '03 '04 '05 |
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my slap-together photo gallery, consists of mostly Toronto's on track shot plus whoever else was running around our timeslot(UWA, UTA, Oklahoma, UW-M, TUG, Helsinki..)....
http://supercarfreak.net/gallery/album623 |
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My congrats to all the schools that found success this year whether it be winning outright or just getting there with a completed car.
On a personal note it was gratifying to see so many of the top schools running Goodyears. Kettering University FSAE (00 - 03) |
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I want to say that it was a complete travesty that University of Western Australia did not make design semi-finals. I got the opportunity to talk to several members after they were eliminated from design. There were no more knowledgeable students on the topics of race car dynamics and what it takes to design, construct, test and tune a fast race car.
I am not sure what design cue the W. Australian team was in during preliminary design, but there must have been a serious oversight by those judges. For example, there were teams in design semi-finals that didn't even know how to properly adjust their dampers, there were teams that didn't even have any viable test data for their cars, and as far as I know there was not a single team that had an effective use of simulation to try to optimize the design of their car. All of the above were done by Western Australia. I am not trying to say that Wisconsin-Madison did not deserve their position atop the FSAE ladder; they were one of the few that were in the league of Western Australia in both design and on track performance. I know that I will potentially stir a great bit of controversy with this post, but I only am doing it as recognition of what the Western Australian team accomplished with their car. I feel that if more of the judges had the opportunity to speak with the team members, they would have come to the same conclusion as me. I will end by saying that in 2001, Cornell missed the design finals in what was apparently an oversight by the design judges. To this day, that car’s design continues to be one of the competition’s most commonly copied designs. This year was another example the specific ignorance and bias of a few design judges. I hope we can avoid this in the future! |
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Some random thoughts on the subject:
-That there UWA car looked similar to the last two brought from down under. -It's the team's job to present, not the judges' to extract. -Design judge = volunteer. Don't rag on them unless you don't want an event. It's not a perfect system, but that is what I love about it... |
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No bias on your part at all, Jeff... And you're extremely misinformed with your comments about simulation. If you had spoken with me or my teammates you'd know this. "Gute Fahrer haben die Fliegenreste auf den Seitenscheiben." --Walter Röhrl |
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See now thats the beauty of the Australasian event. -Small number of competing teams -Plenty of time in the preliminary design event to state your case -And because there is only one said group because of the number of entries, only the top teams are chosen for the semi / final! Plus, after that Erin organises a mad afterparty! In the centre of Melbourne! Alas the downside is, there are less cars to drool over... Andrew |
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How about 13" tires..didnt see too many of the gokart tires on the top 10 cars. Mike Duwe UWP Alumni Former Drivetrain Leader and Team Captain |
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i believe the only 10" teams were ETS, Michigan, and western washington
"Gute Fahrer haben die Fliegenreste auf den Seitenscheiben." --Walter Röhrl |
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