We'll try and get some footage up ASAP.

sounds like you all had a great comp! well done to the UWA guys, and all the others who took part!

if its not too sore a point, why did the NZ car not run??

hopefully we will see some of you guys at student this year! always a pleasure to have some of your cars over! they seem to do really well over here!

Thanks Dan,
There is no need for any special acknowledgements, the pix are there for whoever wants them. As you mentioned I have many more here on my laptop.
For those interested, the camera is an Olympus E300 8mp digital SLR and all the shots except the Kiwi car were shot with a 140mm zoom lens.
Rob, the reason the Kiwi car didnt run is they forgot the 'Kiss' principle. They got lost in technology and missed the boat. The actual cause of their failure was they couldnt pass the noise test. They had vented the exhaust into the under floor difusers (megaphones. That an FSAE car spends about 15% of its time in full noise didnt seem to occur to them, and so they never got to the track. Lessons learned by all I am sure.
Pat

Just realised something.
For those confused, Pat D'Rat and Suddenlee are one and the same, depending on which computer I am using.
I'll fix thaty one of these days =]
Pat

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... In the second enduro they were keeping pace with UWA but a side panel became dislodged after hitting a cone. The loose bodywork then pulled the kill switch toggle out and stopped the car dead. The most bizarre DNF in an enduro i've ever heard of.

Eddie Martin
UOW Racing 01 - 04
FSAE-A Scrutineer / Track Marshall.

Eddie, i can remember they had the same problem in 2001. They nearly lost their side panel, was only hold by one fasterner.

Frank "Ruska" Roeske

Nice camera...

Can someone refresh my memory which ones of these cars will be in US(east) and/or UK?

RMIT is registered for both East/West
Wollongong for West

No UWA, to bad really enjoyed them at Detroit last year. We had the privilege of meeting a couple of their guys at Mongolian Barbecue, funny bunch.

Mongolian Barbecue was great!

I think we went a couple of times last time we were over.

They used to hold a slot open in the US for the winner of the Australian competition. But the way they say it now is that the spot is open for the following year (which means the next car/team). I think that is a bit odd as it doesn't allow the team that actually won to travel.

I know that after the last US comp the team didn't see itself being able to travel again due to the effort and resources required for the US campaigns.

I think this is another indication that some sort of "World Championship" should be held. Maybe the top three teams from each comp. Or maybe the top 10% of teams from each comp are invited to compete.

Kev

monash had a stressed oil-pan? pictures?

i wanted to do that for our car and the rest of the team thought it was the stupidest idea they had ever heard. maybe i'm on the wrong team

Jack, I'm pretty sure I've got pics somewhere, but haven't had a chance to get any of them off my camera yet. I think that UWA were running one aswell, looking forward to seeing some of the many photo's taken, just give me a while to get back to a normal routine, sorry.

The New Zealand Car didn't run because we tried to learn and advance our knowledge, because we didn't built the same car as last year, because we were sick of the same sh*t designs, the same look, the 1950's technology and design philosophies.

We wanted to build a race car and we did.

We tried something different and for that we get rung out by so called judges. I for one will not be sad to see some of them leave. If this sport is to move forward it will take new ideas and more failures. When you have your young team mates called over and told that the design is pointless and "stupid" and that you should build a car like ... (US team), you wonder in the 2007 rules will you'll get a parts list, cut list and plans of the car you should build?

I will look forward to seeing our 2006 team shutting the judges up.

Pat thanks for your incite but we fixed the noise and failed on a slipping clutch cable.

I will not ague this anymore. This is a post for the comp and I will not hijack it.

On a lighter note you can at least look forward to Moke TV 2005

Hi Brent, Sorry if I got on your goat or misunderstood your DNS reason. I certainly didnt mean to pout sh*t on you guys but you really did drop the ball this year, and despite feeling like crap at the moment (Im sure) you have to acknowledge that.
More than anyone, I am sure you know I applaud innovative ideas, and you guys are not short of them.
I really thought you guys were going to kick butt this year and I was genuinely disappointed for you. But FSAE is a learning experience, and I suspect you guys learned more than most this year. I fear what you will rebound with in 2006!
Please, no hard feelings?
Cheers
Pat

PS, exactly how did you address your noise issue?
P.

Jack, we did run a stressed oil pan, third year running, shocks and bellcranks mounted off the side. you can almost see it all from underneath the car when it is up on two wheels during the enduro, shots should be up later this week.

apologies again to UQ, i was really struggling in the tight sections, and after the hold ups with trading back and forth with newcastle for about four laps running some of the flags were coming out really late, and i was committing to corners very early to try and get through.

As far as after party attire, scott and i made a pact early in the year that if we finished an enduro (this year was the first ever for monash) we would wear dresses to the after party. Sure made an impression at crown casino later in the night!!

Well done again jarrod, you guys deserved to get the enduro finish, great looking car, and it was obvious that you all worked really hard to get there in the end, let's just hope that we can all work together as much if not more this year, I'll try to organise some of the social stuff.
And let's say that it won't be just the Monash boys wearing the dresses if enduro is passed..... I'll update after team talks on friday

Congratulations to all the teams this year, amazing result from UWA....WHATS YA FAVOURITE COLOUR???? yes that right its ORANGE haha

Would be great to keep the melbourne teams social events schedule in tact, i believe it was our turn to organise something!!

Special thanks to auckland for the comic relief throughout the weekend, not sure what we would do without you now!

Expect to see the sidewinder concept take another step in 2006!

Once again, thanks everyone for a fun weekend and all the nice comments we recieved about the car.

Ash Denmead
DRT Team Orange.

Moke, your car looks amazing! Really fantastic level of finish on it. Sorry to hear about it dropping out, that had to be tough to swallow.



I have to say the level of design and fabrication in FSAE-A appears to be a few steps above what we see currently see in the US. Sure, the established teams have their act together here, and have the experienced needed to build fast and reliable cars. But if you look at what they built 4 years after the US event started and compare those to the 4 year old (or younger) teams at FSAE-A, they're worlds apart. Sure technology has advanced since then, but I have a feeling that the AUS-Asian teams will institute a changing of the guard within the next few years internationally. UOW and UWA have already succeeded in that respect, and there are probably 5x as many teams ready to follow their lead.

Good job guys!

I have to agree with you Dan. I'm pretty intimidated by the level of fabrication in these cars I'm seeing from this years event. I'm sure that if all of these teams got the finances together to come compete in America, there would be some eyes opened.
However, I also think your point about development is a little off the mark. 4 years to have a team evolve from a 700lb beast (our first car) without a lot of influence from other teams to one of the upper class FSAE cars isn't inachievable. Hopefully, UNH's third year car will resemble and compete with some of the more well established programs, proving my point. With the growth of FSAE on an international level, there are so many more interesting designs to ponder and implement on a new car, creating a better car faster.

But thats just my opinion.

Stan, I was pointing at the comparison of the age of the competition, not the teams participating. For example, comparing the cars at FSAE in 1984 to the 2005 FSAE-AUS cars.

Obviously the 15-20 years of existance and success for the US competition helped speed the development curve of the AUS cars, so the comparison isn't without its flaws.

Um, is some gonna post some more pics? I mean seriously....

Chavez, I'll see what I can manage today. Anyone want to see anything specific?
Note, I am very reluctant to post pictures of a teams 'secrets' so although I have lots of tech pix, Im not sure I want to post them without permission from the team.
Cheers
Pat