Does anyone know what the "Authentication Number" is?
According to the tutorial video, the number should have been emailed to us. The only number I have emailed to me was the Cost Report PIN number, but I have tried that and it does not work.

Does anyone know what the authentication number is?

Tony: That is the number. It does work for me so perhaps something else is going wrong. What does the error message you get say?

Thanks for your response,
The error message that I get is

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Missing Authentication Number - Sync Stopped

I am using a 6-digit number (compared to a 3-digit number shown in the tutorial)

I'm guessing I probably have an incorrect PIN number.

I am behind on processing the AIR's but am working hard to catch up.

Tony, look at the fcakey file in c:\fca\. Make sure there is a number hyphen number. If there is a number hyphen but not 2nd number then go back and try refreshing on the setup screen where you enter authentication number (or manually add the authentication number to the fcakey file and save). You will want to open in notepad. You can email Kathleen McDonald to confirm your PIN number. Make sure you ask her to confirm with me you have the right Authentication number so I check the database itself and not just the file I sent her.

2009 Addendum Policy Update

No Penalty for items included in the addendum for Virginia, Michigan or California in 2009.

Read the policy update here:
http://www.fsaeonline.com/Down...0Policy%20Update.pdf

This includes Add Item Requests, even if submitted late.

I have a question before I submit an AIR: Should I ask to have my phattie 20" rims put on the materials cost table or just ask to be able to cost "Bling" by the kilogram? This latter option would be my preference as I can then install the disco ball and 15" subs and not have to submit too many AIRS.

Hello all,

Sort of a late question, I realize, but how has everyone been costing their hard brake line? Brake plumbing was one of the last things I was going to cost, and I didn't notice until now that hard brake line is all "cost as made"...

If you're reading this as well, Mr. Riley, what was the intent for costing brake line "as made"? I started by costing it as a length of metal stock with the profile of AN-3 tubing, but that yields a rather low cost.

Does anyone use Apex Joints in their steering column or elsewhere? How are you costing it? I was thinking of using the Steering Column Universal Joint but the cost they have is inaccurate for the Apex Joints I'm using.

Considering most aerospace quality connectors have a 'male' side and a 'female' side, should a 3-pin connector pair be costed as having 3 pins ($3) or 6 pins ($6)?

Also, would the brake light wire be considered a 'control' or 'power' wire?

Many thanks

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Tiller: You use steel by the kg to start your hard brake line, then flare the ends. It should be pretty inexpensive. Remember this approximates volume production so things like brake lines become pretty cheap when you buy that many.

Jayal: I'm not familiar with the Apex joints but the intent is if it is a steering u-joint you can use the table cost.

Dogmeat: You would need a male connector and female connector. One side of the connector has 3 pins and the other side of the connector has 3 pints.

Cost Tables Updated

I have posted updated material and fastener tables.

Significant additions were made the materials table. The fasteners table only got thread inserts.

Dear, Mr. Riley -

Frame - Paint
in the Procces Table 'Liquid Applicator Gun' for Paint cost unit is '$/cm'
Wich is the right unit cost?

I think 'Liguid Applicator Gun Unit' should be 'cm^2' as 'Paint Cost unit' is '$/cm^2'.

I don't know Liquid Applicator Linear Motion.

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Hi at all,

I cannot find something like a driveshaft, but I think all teams have to use it. Probably it is posted with another item-name. Could someone help me?

kind regards,
Andi

Andi: driveshafts (axles) have to be costed as team-made i think, as stated in appendix c-1.

On another note, those of us competing in the UK formula student event only just got our PIN numbers, but our university (in fact, any UK institutions) are not listed in the app. While we are aware we don't need to use the app, I just wanted to see the format of the report it generates. Is there any chance our universities could be added?

Hi Bill,

First of all I just want to say that we love this Forum you've set up. It has been of great help throughout the project.

Secondly I have a question about the differential:
How do we fill in an add item request for the differential internals (Quaife in this case) when we don't have the actual retail information on this as it was bought as a unit with the housing (and all differential housings are to be "cost as made")?

Best regards
Camilla

Mr. Riley,

I don't see a link a to download the cost software on FSAE online. The link from the main page takes me to the application page but there is no link from their to download the software. Am i missing something?

George

quote:

Originally posted by MCEH:
Dear, Mr. Riley -

Frame - Paint
in the Procces Table 'Liquid Applicator Gun' for Paint cost unit is '$/cm'
Wich is the right unit cost?

I think 'Liguid Applicator Gun Unit' should be 'cm^2' as 'Paint Cost unit' is '$/cm^2'.

I don't know Liquid Applicator Linear Motion.

I used liquid applicator gun a lot for adhesives, e.g. when running a bead of adhesive to secure something. That makes sense in linear motion.

You could assume, when painting, a spray coverage of 8 inches (or something) and estimate the linear distance of the passes needed to cover the part.

I don't think it is a mistake; it just has another application.

So I have a few questions:

1)Is the length unit for potting composites the diameter of the circle?

2)We use this 2 part foam for a seat. 2 parts, as part a and part b, mix together they expand into a foam. I can't find anything like it in the tables.

On another note, I sync the application with the server on a regular basis, yet the tables linked with it are out-dated.

Thanks,
Jeff Freeman
Cal Poly, SLO

Hello all,

A few questions...

1. In the rules, it states that we should submit an electronic version (PDF format) in addition to a hard copy. Do we email that to someone or do we mail it on a CD along with the hard copy?

2. For washers, does "diameter" refer to the hole diameter or outer diameter?

3. Should I have one BOM for the car or a separate BOM for each of the 8 sections? I am under the impression that I should just have one big BOM...

4. Also, I've seen a lot of posts here making references to a BOM Excel template of some sort, but the newest version of FCA_inputs doesn't seem to have said template. Is there an Excel file hidden somewhere that I'm missing? The BOM feature on the Cost Application doesn't work for me (keeps giving me unknown errors) so I'd appreciate it if someone could direct me to the Excel format.

Thanks,
Raechel

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Originally posted by Jeff Freeman:
Is the length unit for potting composites the diameter of the circle?

I believe it is the circumference. (source: http://fsaeonline.com/Download...st_Tutorial_2009.pdf)