Hello all,

This post is addressed to all the Indian teams. We all face the same problems. All of us would agree that the time we spend looking for dealers is huge compared to other teams.

If we could have a smoother information flow between us, I guess that would save a lot of time for all of us.

Lets give our contact details on this thread. Here are the details for

Team Raftar@IIT Madras:
Vineet Bhandari, vineet.iitm@gmail.com, +919840131139

Cooperate to dominate!!
What say!!
Vineet Bhandari

Hi all !
Agree with you Vineet. Although you have a certain edge as you are based in an IIT!
I am also looking forward to a smooth information flow between the cash stripped Indian teams.
We do not have much of cash and also the curriculums are too strict and rigid. There is no space for an innovative endeavor. I am also a bit more afraid of this as formally I am pursuing B-tech in IT! but my love for automobiles called me to undertake the suspension systems of our car.
Looking forward to replies by all Indian team members.....

Himanshu Gupta
himanshu.renegade@gmail.com
NITK Racing.
National Institute of Technology, Kurukshetra.
+919813754001

I completely agree with Himanshu. Its good to see someone from IT doing suspension systems of the car. This shows how passionate you are about working on cars.
Our college being the most experienced in this field in India can help other teams in locating suppliers, figuring out logistics problems etc.
We have been fighting with our college to keep this project going for the past three years and its very hard to be competitive in such circumstances when your college doesnt support you financially and morally.
Our college feels that hybrids and other competitions like SAE Supermileage etc. are the future but they dont realise that after working on a FSAE car one can learn about almost all technical aspects of a car which is not so in the case of other competitions like SAE Baja and Supermileage.
Three cheers to Formula SAE

Harsh Aggarwal
Defianz Racing
Delhi College of Engineering, Delhi
harsh87@gmail.com
+91-9910046049

i doubt anyone should disagree ,
gentlemen , we must race our vehicles some time


Hiren Patel
Tech Head - Powertrain
www.orion-racing.com
K.J.Somaiya coll .of Engg. ,Bombay
+91-9820399224

Great initiative,
We are in.

Rishabh Bhandari
Overall Coordinator,
Formula SAE,
IIT Bombay,
Ph. - 09869698763
rishabh4u@gmail.com

We are in too...
Working on this project, everybody have the same problems... same headaches, similar university troubles....

I welcome this initiative by Vineet, who incidentally are registered for same event as we are... FSAE Japan...

I think everyone should start with mentioning where they are headed this year...

Regards
Arpit Gupta
Team Leader
Torque India RC
LIET, Alwar
+919928923730

thumbs up to hiren's call for racing our vehicles!!......

Rouble
Thapar University
Patiala
+91-9915321759

Hi all !
Today we got a 1950 Chevy engine running which was lying in our college waste basket for the last 40 years !!
This was I think enough for our stingy govt. college to prove ourselves !!

But guys how to proceed once we get some money(although difficult) ?

hello guys...this is harish from fsae@sastra university......we hav begun work on de chasis(de design stages man).......we wud lyk to hav ur guidance n advice for proceedin on wid de work.......hope u guys help us out.....so wen xactly did u guys go on findin sponsors???

Oooh, I love those posts that come in on the jungle drums!!

it is de same story in our university too.....de coll thinks tht these competitions r inferior compared to de fsae baja and supermileage competitions.....we r fighting it out to keep it alive.....but the problem comin in is with de money input...n i really appreciate de team frm DCE which has offered help in locatin dealers for parts

Dem jungle drumz iz stil bangin


Speak English on this Forum please

Pat

In response to your college not giving you a lot of money, I think it is a fair assumption to say that most teams in the US are also primary funded by outside sponsors. Until this year when I begged and begged and they gave me money to leave them alone, we were only getting $5,000 from our school. This year we convinced them to give us $10,000. Still a drop in the bucket relative to the total operating costs.

Pat you're the man. The jungle drums had cringing.

But putting the bongos away for a second, I kind of understand what your college is getting at when they say that fsae is inferior, to say baja and supermilage. From what I've seen and heard, a baja team is a lot cheaper to run than a fsae team. So to them they are more efficient. Or at least they do stand a fighting chance with the budget the college can give them.
So if you don't pay tuition like we do lately, you really really really need to find some sponsors.

And to answer your question about when to look for sponsors: ALWAYS.
Always look for people who might be able to support you one way and the other. From my experience, companies are more willing to give you whatever material they sell or whatever manufacturing capacity they've left. So if you come across a company name, let's say in a newspaper article talking about that wonderful product they've just introduced, look them up and see if they produce something you need.

That said getting money isn't bad either. These sponsors are like rare gems, you'll only find them after quite some digging and you'll have to treasure them.

hey prithvi,please write proper english,this is not your mobile phone man,this is a forum,
i think u havent read the rules
and yes respect pat and listen to what he says.
ankit dhingra
defianzracing
delhi college of engineering
www.defianzracing.in
"hamilton rules"

Hi guys !
This post was to facilitate information flow !
But where is the information ??!!!?
Is there any event which does not clash with the "Indian University" exam dates. !?
The only one FSAE-A and now thats also preponed this time !
Any ideas ???

Regards,
Himanshu Gupta
himanshu.renegade@gmail.com
NITK Racing.
National Institute of Technology, Kurukshetra

hey guys this is not going to work this way

i am starting a community on orkut by the name of FSAE INDIA

we can discuss everything there in a much easier fashion.

we together can take ourselves to great levels...

please join the group....

i really apologise for the inappropriate usage of english language.sorry pat,it will not happen again..i will abide by the rules of the forum..

@ Hiren

While i appreciate your effort for a better information flow between the Indian teams who face quite a similar set of problems which may/may not be different from the problems faced by our amercian/european counterparts, i do strongly feel that this approach defeats one major purpose of our participation in FSAE. This approach would be trying to restrict the information flow and in effect restricting ourselves and working with a closed mindset. This competition is about coming together at a common platform building the car to the best of your abilities(the abilities include your ability to fight the problems that crop up including finances, college authorities etc and not just your technical skills) and competing with some of the best in the world. While having a thread on this forum to facilitate smoother information flow of information and create a better brotherhood amongst teams is good, having a separate forum altogether is going a little overboard.

@others

Please treat this thread as a medium to echange contacts and extend the kind of support you can to the others. For posting queries and doubts please use the forum as the others do. and do read the rules, both for the event and the forum. Search tool is REALLY useful and would help you a lot. Please do note that the forum is for exchanging ideas, mind boggling issues and stuff not easy to find in books but better learnt from experience. This is not a shortcut for reading and doing meaningful calculations/simulations etc. Such an attempt on this thread and/or any other forum would take meaning away from this effort. And remember, each one can make a huge contribution to the meaningful expantion of the forum.

@prithvi

Start by reading books. As far as reading books, there is no end to reading and gaining information. You will get lot of meaningful knowledge about design and fabrication of spaceframes (which you would/should be considering looking at all the constraints) and you can take it from there.


All the best to everyone....

Regards,
Nitesh Bidasaria
FS-UK - 2005-2007
Team Captain 2006,07
Defianz Racing,
DCE

hey nitesh,

your point is quite valid , i did think someone would raise it up, and am glad u did...

first of all am not asking you to cut off from this forum both work parallel...

2. this is completely my point of view but i wouldnt support country specific talk on an international forum as i believe it would cause inconvinience to other forum users


3. i would like to help budding indian fsae teams at a much personal level... basically someone from your own country has gone through the same shit , why not ask him rather than put your question out in front of people who do not have any clue about our situation... if not satisfied than he can definately put it up here to, though i feel the chances are few he wont be... or he can do both simultaneoulsy...

3. importing of parts --

we all have been going to diff events all around the year so why not ask say any team going to a competition 6 months prior to us to get us parts such as tires or anything else... hell i dnt mind buying them at a premium if i can evade the import duty.

4. exchange of parts, books , facilities (i dnt mind exchanging sponsors, we dnt have anyways )-

u have one part u arent using , i need the same one for my car , all i do is put it up on our forum if u were interested we both would profit by this.... shipping in india is cheaper than international shipping.

5. information -

dynos , bike dealers and other part dealers in india all their contact can be put on our forum in a different thread.. so anyone can use it. i wouldnt put it up on an international forum where it would be of little use to anyone else...

6. SELECT A COMMON PLACE(THE KARI)and TIME and we RACE unrestricted
(this is my personal gain thing u can say , would be a pleasure LAPPING U :-)


and all other crazy things we do , u know u cant really brag about doing a burout in an HONDA CITY
i mean these guys wouldnt understand why would u do it on a family sedan they have skylines to do that, but thats what we have and we have fun with that rite??and also the post u put up on off topic about the pulsar 220 add, well only we could appreciate a punny 220 cc in our forum....



and last but not the least we have to accept that the platform we are standing on is a little lower than other international teams...and i believe its just the facilities which used well gives them experience coined with studying books gives them the edge ,thats my understanding, its just a matter of time we bridge this gap...

its your wish guys..........

DNT GET ME WRONG I AM AN WORLD CITIZEN FIRST THEN AN INDIAN

(being diplomatic is bloody difficult)

Regards